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İslam'da Dünya'nın Şekli - 2

2024.03.07 16:56 -Demjin- İslam'da Dünya'nın Şekli - 2

İslam'da Dünya'nın Şekli - 2
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Hadislerde Düz Dünya;

İslam geleneği devam ederken ve modern akademisyenler, sözde sahih hadislerin peygambere ve ashabına kadar güvenilir bir şekilde ulaşıp ulaşmadığı hakkında itiraz ederken, hepsi sahih veya sahih olmayan hadislerin, en eski dönem Müslümanlar arasında çeşitli nüfusun inançlarını temsil ettiği konusunda hemfikirdir. Yani, bir hadis zayıf olsa bile, uydurma, varoluş ve dolaşım, en azından bazı erken Müslümanların, Muhammed ve ashabını içermese bile, hadisin içeriğine inandıklarının basit gerçeğini kanıtlar.
Bununla birlikte, kabul edilmiş ve sahih hadis koleksiyonlarında, düz bir dünyayı açıkça ve dolaylı olarak kanıtlayan ve bunlara bağlı olan çeşitli Hadisler vardır. Bu sahih hadislere ek olarak, en eski Müslümanların düz bir dünyaya inandığını doğrulayan sayısız zayıf hadis sayılabilir.
Yedi istiflenmiş toprak; Çeşitli rivayetler yedi yığılmış düz toprağı (küresel tabakalar değil, bir boyun halkası koymak anlamında)tanımlar.
Hadis; Peygamber dedi ki: "kim haksız yere başkalarının toprağından bir parça alırsa, kıyamet günü yedi toprağı batırılır." Hadis; Kim haksız yere birinin toprağını gasp ederse, boynu yedi topraktan aşağı kuşatılır. Hadis; Kim başka birinin toprağından haksız yere bir avuç alırsa kıyamet günü onun boynuna yedi kat toprak giydirilecektir.
Bu Da'if hadis (Zayıf), erken dönem Müslümanların Dünya'nın şekli ile ilgili ne düşünüklerini detaylandırır. Hadis; ...Sonra dedi ki: "altınızda ne olduğunu biliyor musunuz? Dediler ki: Allah ve Resulü daha iyi bilir. Dedi ki: "şüphesiz O, yeryüzüdür.’ Sonra ne altında olduğunu biliyor Musunuz? " dedi. Dediler ki: Allah ve Resulü daha iyi bilir. Dedi ki: "onun altında, ikisi arasında beş yüz yıllık bir mesafe olan başka bir dünya var. Ta ki yedi dünya sayana kadar: her iki dünya arasında beş yüz yıllık bir mesafe vardır....
Güneş'in yükseldiği ve battığı yer; Aşağıdaki hadis Dar-us-Salam (Hafız Zubair 'Ali Za'i) tarafından Sahih olarak derecelendirilir ve el-Albani tarafından Sahih olarak derecelenmiş bir anlatım zincirine sahiptir.
Hadis; Güneş batarken eşeğe binen Resûlullah'ın arkasında oturuyordum. "Buranın nerede olduğunu biliyor musun?" diye sordu. Ben de: "Allah ve Resulü en iyisini bilir'' dedim. Dedi ki: "O, ılık bir su kaynağına (Hamiyah) batar. Sahih Müslim'de benzer, daha ayrıntılı bir hadis, Allah'ın güneşe "yükselen yerinden" gidip doğmasını emretdiği bir döngüyü anlatır (min matli'iha مَطْلِعِهَا - bu kelime aynı zamanda Kur'an'da matli'a kül şemsi "güneşin yükselen yeri" olarak da ortaya çıkar Kehf 90) Bir gün onun yerine gidip ''ayarının yerinden'' (min maghribiki مِنْ مَغْرِبِكِ) değişmesi söylenecek. Bu yüzden o ''ayarını yerinden'' (min maghribiha مِنْ مَغْرِبِهَا) değiştirecek. İkinci ifade, çoğu zaman "Batı'da" (min maghribiha مِنْ مَغْرِبِهَا) olarak yanlış tercüme edilmesine rağmen, bu hadisin tüm basit rivayetlerinde de yer almaktadır. Güneşe belirli bir yere gitmesi emredilir. "Matli'" ve "maghrib" kelimeleri yan yana geldiğinde "yükselen bir yer" ve "ayar yeri"ni ifade ederken, "mashriq" ve "maghrib" kelimeleri yan yana geldiğinde daha genel olarak "doğu" ve "batı"ya atıfta bulunur, ancak bazı İngilizce çeviriler bu ayrıntıyı gizlemeye çalışır. "Matli'" ve "maghrib" kelimelerinin genel yönlendirmelerin aksine belirli yerlere atıfta kullanılması, bunları "güneşin matli'si" ve "güneşin mağrisi" yapan sahiplenici zamirlerin kullanılmasıyla daha da doğrulanır - anlatım genel olarak "doğu" ve "batı"dan bahsediyor olsaydı, hadis "güneşin doğusu" ve "güneşin batısı" anlamına gelmezdi.
Hadis; Bu güneş nereye gider biliyor musunuz? demiş. Ashâb:
Allah ve Resûlü bilir; cevabını vermişler. Resûlüllah:
O, tâ arşın altındaki karargâhına varıncaya kadar gider; ve (orada) secdeye kapanır. Kendisine: Kalk, geldiğin yere dön! denilinceye kadar o halde kalır. Bunun üzerine (geri) döner; ve sabahleyin doğduğu yerden tekrar doğar. Sonra (yine) Arş'ın altındaki karargâhına varıncaya kadar akıp gider ve (yine) secdeye kapanır. Kendisine: Kalk, geldiğin yere dön! deninceye kadar o halde kalır. Ve (tekrar) dönerek sabahleyin doğduğu yerden doğar. Bilâhere artık ihsanlar onun hiç bir halini yadırgamaz olarak Arş'ın altındaki o karargâhına varıncaya kadar akıp gider. Nihayet kendisine: Kalk, (yarın sabah) battığın yerden doğ! denilir; o da battığı yerden doğar.» buyurmuş; ve sözüne şöyle devam etmiş:
«Bu ne zaman olacak bilir misiniz? Bu: evvelce iman etmeyen yahut imanında bir hayır kazanmayan hiç bir kimseye (o günkü) imanının fayda vermeyeceği zamandır.
Dünya'nın uçları;
Hadis; Gerçekten Allah bana yeri topladı da, onun doğusunu batısını gör düm. Hİç şüphe yok ki, ümmetim bana toplanan yerlerin mülküne ulaşacaktır. Bana kırmızı ve beyaz iki define de verildi. Ben Rabbimden ümmetim için onu kıtlık senesiyle helâk etmemesini diledim. Bir de onların üzerine kendilerinden başka bir düşman musallat edip de onların köküne kibrit suyu damlatmamasını istedim. Rabbim: Yâ Muhammed! Ben bir hüküm verirsem, o geri çevrilmez. Ben üm metin için sana onları umumî kıtlıkla helâk etmeyeceğime ve üzerlerin kendilerinden başka olup, köklerine kibrit suyu damlatacak bir düşma musallat etmeyeceğime söz verdim. Velev ki, üzerlerine yerin her tarafır dakiler —yahut yerin memleketleri arasındakiler demiştir— toplanmış o şunlar. Tâ ki, birbirlerini helâk edip, birbirlerini esir alıncaya kadar buyurdu.
Hadis; ". . . Sehl bin Sa'd es-Sâidî (radıyallahü anhümâ)'dan rivâyet edildiğine göre; Resûlüllah (sallallahü aleyhi ve sellem) şöyle buyurmuştur :
(Herhangi bir mülebbi (lebbeyk zikrini okuyucu) lebbeyke zikrini okuduğu zaman onun sağında ve solunda bulunan taş, ağaç ve kerpiç de lebbeyke zikrini eder. (Resûl-i Ekrem (sallallahü aleyhi ve sellem) doğuya ve batıya işaret ederek) Yer küresi şuradan ve şuradan bitinceye kadar (bulunan bu maddeler lebbeyke zikrini ederler).) "
Allah ve Şeytan'ın yeri;
Dünya'nın küresel ve heliosentrik bir anlayışı üzerine ele alındığında, aşağıdaki iki anlatım, Allah ve Şeytan'ın bir tür sürekli eşmerkezli yörüngeye kilitlendiğini göstermektedir.
Hadis; Rasûlüllah (sallallahü aleyhi ve sellem) şöyle demiştir: "Gecenin son üçte biri kaldığı zaman tebâreke ve teâlâ olan Rabb'ımız her gece dünyâ semâsına iner ve: Bana kim dua eder ki onun duasına icabet edeyim! Benden kim bir hacet ister ki ona dileğini vereyim! Benden kim mağfiret diler ki onun için mağfiret edeyim!' buyurur". (aynısı Muslim'de var)

Tefsirlerde Düz Dünya;

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Güneş'in battığı bahar;
El-Tabari'nin (d. 224 AH / 839 CE) 18:86 ayeti için tefsirinde güneşin battığı baharın mahiyeti hakkında aşağıdaki sözler yer almaktadır. Benzer ses kelimeleri hami'ah (çamurlu) ve hamiyah (sıcak) Kur'an-ı Kerim senaryosunun iletiminde bir noktada karışmış gibi görünür:
Tefsir; Cenab-ı Hakk'ın, '‘güneşin battığı yere varıncaya kadar onu bulanık bir su kaynağında batarken buldu ' sözünün anlamı şöyledir’' :
Cenab-ı Hak: "erinceye kadar’ dediğinde, Zülkarneyn'e hitab ediyor. "Güneşin battığı yer, onu bulanık bir su kaynağında batarken buldu" ayetiyle ilgili olarak, halk bu ayetin nasıl telaffuz edileceği konusunda ihtilafa düştüler. Medine ve Basra halkından bazıları bunu ‘hami'a Baharı’ olarak okudular, yani güneş çamur içeren bir baharda batıyor. Medine halkından bir grup ve Kafen halkının çoğunluğu bunu ‘hamiye pınarı’ olarak okurken, güneşin ılık su pınarında battığı anlamına gelir. Ehl-i şerifte bunun anlamı ayeti okuma şekline göre farklılık göstermiştir.
Basran halkının okuduğu Kuran; "Anlamı: çamurlu su kaynağına batanın." Kufan halkının okuduğu Kuran; "Sıcak su kaynağında battık anlamı"
İbn 'Abbas gibi ilk makamlar bunu güneşin kara çamurda battıkları anlamına geldiğini savunur. Peygamberler ve Krallar tarihinde El-Taberi ve Tefsirinde El-Baydavi, güneşin batabileceği 360 Pınara sahip olduğu görüşünden bahseder. İslam öncesi "Cahili" Arap şiirlerinde de benzer bir fikir bulunur.
Dünya'nın üstünde bir kubbe olarak gökyüzü;
El Tabari Kur'an-ı Kerim için yaptığı tefsirde Bakara 22 ilk Müslümanların bazılarının gökyüzünün dünya üzerinde bir kubbe veya tavan olduğuna dair anlatımlar içerir:
Tefsir;"...ve gökyüzü bir gölgelik..."Gökyüzünün yeryüzündeki gölgesi bir kubbe şeklindedir ve yeryüzünün üzerinde bir çatıdır. Bişr B.Muaz da Yezid'den Katad'dan Said'den Allah'ın sözleriyle rivayet etmiş ve söylemiştir."..ve gökyüzü bir gölgelik..."Gökyüzünü senin çatın yaptığını söyler.
İbn Kathir Kur'an için tefsirinde Rad 2 bu konuda sahabah ve tabi'un (2. nesil)) daha fazla anlatımı vardır:
Tefsir; Allah şöyle buyurdu: İbn Abbas, Mücahit, El-Hasan, Katade ve diğer bazı alimlere göre, `sütunlar vardır, ancak onları ''göremezsiniz'' anlamını taşımaktadır. İyas B.Muaviye," gök, yerin üstünde bir kubbe gibidir " demiştir, yani sütunsuzdur. Katad'dan da böyle rivayet edilmiştir ve bu mana ayetin bu kısmı için daha hayırlıdır. özellikle Allah başka bir ayette şöyle buyurmuştur: (O'nun izni olmaksızın göğü yere düşmekten alıkoyar. 22:65 bu nedenle, Allah'ın görebileceğiniz ifadesi, sütun olmadığını doğrular. Daha doğrusu, cenneti görmek gibi (yukarıda) ayağı olmadan yüksek olur. Bu mana, Allah'ın kabiliyetini ve kudretini en iyi şekilde tasdik eder.
Yedi düz Dünya; İbn Kathir, Mücahit'in yedi gök ve yedi yeryüzünün birbirinin üstünde olduğunu söylediğini kaydeder. Benzer birçok anlatım, bu tür kozmolojinin Muhammed'in yoldaşları arasında standart anlayış olduğunu göstermektedir.
Tefsir; Onları yedi gök yaptı) Dedi ki: "O, biri diğerinin üstünde, yedi yer ise diğerinin altındadır.
İslam Balinası'nın sırtındaki Dünya;
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El Tabari'nin Kur'an ile ilgili tefsir Kalem 1, gizemli bir şekilde Arapça ''nun''( ن harekesiz) harfiyle başlar, kayıtlar, diğer birçok klasik tefsir ve sahih anlatımıyla birlikte[*][**][***][****], sahabah arasında ibn 'Abbas' gibi yorumlardan birinin ''nun''un, Dünya'nın sırtında taşınan bir balina olduğuydu (diğer yorumlar "Nun"un bir mürekkep ya da Allah'ın bir adı olduğuydu). Balinanın varlığı konusunda bir fikir birliği olmasa da, fikrin makul ve kabul edilebilirliği düz bir Dünya ve radikal olarak modern olmayan kozmoloji anlamına gelir.

Geoit Dünya olduğunu savunan argümanlar;

Naziat 30 da geçen ''yaymak, döşemek'' kelimesi ''devekuşu'' yumurtası anlamına geliyor;
Naziat 30; Ardından yeri düzenleyip döşedi. (Gidip Edip Yüksel'in çevirisine bakabilirsiniz)
Naziat 30 ayeti, dünya yaratılışında atılacak bir adımı tanımlamak için yaygın olarak 'Yaydı' veya 'Gerdi' olarak çevrilen دَحَىٰهَآ (dahaha) kelimesini kullanır. Bugün, kelimenin bazen "devekuşu yumurtası gibi olmasını sağladı" ifade ettiği savunulmaktadır, ima, bir devekuşu yumurtası hem küresel hem de hafif oval şekilli olduğu için, Dünya'nın şekliyle karşılaştırılabilir olduğudur. Ancak böyle bir tercüme ve tefsir, klasik Arapça'nın herhangi bir sözlüğü ve Kur'an'ın hiçbir yetkili çevirisi veya tefsirinde yer alan özelliklerle desteklenmemiştir.
Kur'an'ın yetkili tercümeleri, devekuşu yumurtasının ayete etkisine ilişkin hiçbir şeyden bahsetmezler;
Yusuf Ali: Ve yeryüzü, dahası, O geniş bir yelpazeye uzattı;
Pickthal: Bundan sonra da yeryüzünü yayır.
Arberry: Ve ondan sonra yeryüzünü yaydı.
Shakir: Ve yeryüzünü, ondan sonra genişletti.
Tartışmalı Rashad Khalifa tarafından işlenen ve bilinen ve itiraf edilen gerçek olmayan QXP çevirisi gibi daha az güvenilir çeviriler (gerçekten de, QXP çevirisi, Kur'an'ın çevirisi yerine bir tefsir olarak daha iyi tanımlanmıştır, Tafsir al-Jalalayn ile karşılaştırılabilir)[*] devekuşu yumurta teorisini ayete enterpolasyonlamıştır:
QXP: Ve bundan sonra dünyayı Kozmik Bulutsu'dan vurdu ve yumurta şeklinde yaydırdı
Daha, duhiya'dan türetilmiş ve madaahi ile ilgili olarak
Günümüzde sıklıkla ileri sürülen özel argüman, daha kelimesinin "devekuşu yumurtası"anlamına geldiği söylenen duhiya kelimesinden türeyebileceğidir.[*] buradaki fikir şudur ki, eğer bu kelimeler aynı kökten türerse, her ikisi de oval biçimli yuvarlaklığın aynı "işaretini" taşırlar ve Dünya mükemmel küresel değil, hafif oval olduğundan, bu ortak "işaret", Kuran kozmolojisinin esasen modern olduğuna dair kanıt olarak hizmet eder. Bu iddiayı daha da ileri sürerek şöyle olduğu ileri sürülmektedir: daha kelimesinin bir başka anlamı (özellikle bir madaahi'nin udhiyah'ına atılmasına atıfta bulunarak "attı" anlamına gelir)[**], madaahi kelimesi ("küçük yuvarlak bir ekmek keki"şeklinde küçük bir taş veya benzeri bir nesneyi ifade eder)[***] ve udhiyah (madaahi'nin bir parçası olarak atılacağı kabaca madaahi'nin büyüklüğünde küçük bir deliği ifade eder). oyun) [52]. Yuvarlaklığın benzer bir "işaretini" taşıyan tüm bu terimler, böylece 79:30'da tarif edilen Dünya'nın yaratılışının yuvarlaklığı ima ettiği sonucuna varılmıştır.
İnsanlar kutsal yazıların kendi dini yorumlarına hak kazanırken, böyle bir okuma herhangi bir dilsel temelden veya geleneksel ve kutsal emsalden yoksundur.
Tanımlar; Arapça'daki hemen hemen her kelime, çeşitli sesli harfler, önekler ve sonekler eklenmiş üç harften oluşan bir kökten oluşur. Örneğin, "ka-ta-ba" (yazmak için) kitab (kitap), maktaba (kütüphane), katib (yazar) ve maktoob (yazılı) dahil olmak üzere kelimelerin köküdür.
Duhiya, 79:30'daki dahaha (دَحَىٰهَآ) fiili gibi (son -ha "o" anlamına gelen zamir sonekidir) "da-ha-wa" (بسو)[*]adlı fiilden türetilmiştir. Duhiyakelimesi Bazen devekuşu yumurtaları ile ilgili bağlamlarda kullanılırken, herhangi bir sözlükte aslında "devekuşu yumurtası" anlamına gelir. [Burada aşırı fazla arapça kelime vardı bu kısım eksik olabilir.]
Yuvarlağın şekli ile ilgili sorunlar;
Sözlüklerde, çevirilerde ve tefsirlerde bulunan tanımların bu modern yeniden yorumlamayı haklı çıkarmak için gerekli tanımlarla anlaşmazlığına ek olarak, denenen bağlantıların hiçbiri ("devekuşu yumurtası")Dünya'nın şeklini doğru bir şekilde ifade etmemektedir veya ima etmemektedir.
Sol üstte düzleştirilmiş bir sferoid (Küresel şekil), sol altta düzleştirilmiş bir sferoid ve oryantasyonu ne olursa olsun düzleştirilmiş bir sferoid olan bir deve kuşu yumurtası. Küreler, düzleştirilmiş sferoidler ve düzleştirilmiş sferoidler, farklı matematiksel denklemlerle tanımlanan temelde farklı şekillerdir.
Benim anlatma özürlülüğümden kurtulup anlamak isterseniz bu videoyu izleyebilirsiniz.
Gece ve Gündüz değişimi;
Hac 61, Lokman 29 1.Bu böyle. Çünkü Allah, geceyi gündüzün içine sokar, gündüzü de gecenin içine sokar. Şüphesiz ki Allah hakkıyla işiten, hakkıyla görendir.
2.Görmedin mi ki, Allah, geceyi gündüzün içine ve gündüzü de gecenin içine sokuyor. Güneşi ve ayı da koyduğu kanunlara boyun eğdirmiştir. Her biri (kendi yörüngesinde) belli bir zamana kadar akar gider. Şüphesiz Allah, işlediklerinizden hakkıyla haberdardır.
Bugün, bazen burada "Birleşme" kelimesinin gecenin yavaşça ve yavaş yavaş gündüze dönüştüğü anlamına geldiği savunulmaktadır. Ve bu iddia bunun sadece küresel bir dünyada mümkün olduğunu savunur.
Bununla birlikte, düz bir Dünya'ya inanan insanlar da, güneşin battığını ve doğduğuna kadar, gündüzden geceye geçişin kademeli ve ani olmayan bir geçiş olduğunu anladı. Düz bir dünya kozmolojisi ile modern kozmoloji arasındaki temel fark, düz bir dünya kozmolojisinin gezegenin yüzeyinde varyant saat dilimlerine izin vermemesidir, çünkü düz dünyada gün herkes için gündüzdür ve gece herkes için gecedir. Diğer birkaç hadis, varyant gün zamanlarının bu cehaletini doğrular, belki de en ünlüsü, kıyamet gününü Güneş'in "Batı'dan doğduğu" bir sabahtan başlayarak olarak tanımlayan hadislerdir. İbn Majah'taki bir sahih hadis, aynı günün ilerleyen saatlerinde "öğleden öncesi''nde "Canavarın ortaya çıkacağını" doğrular. Bu anlatımlar, dünya çapında gerçekleşen ortak bir günün kutsal yazıları kavramını canlı bir şekilde göstermektedir.
Kaynakların hepsi; burada
Eğer kaçırmadığım bir şey yoksa bu kadar olmalı, çevirilerde illa ki hatam vardır, mazur görün. Bayağı ertelendi aslında bu da sağlık olsun. Elime sağlık okuyanın gözüne sağlık. Anlaması ve anlatması zor bir konu, ondan anlamadıysanız ben anlatamadım demektir ama anlaşıldı diye umuyorum. (Böyle uzun gönderileri paylaşırken 15 kez kontrol ediyorum)
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2024.01.31 20:20 Swimming-Forever323 Etymology and Genesis of the Hawiye Clan📚

Etymology and Genesis of the Hawiye Clan📚
Etymology and Genesis of the Hawiye Clan
The Hawiye is the first Somali clan mentioned in recorded history. Going as far back as 1150AD or the 12th century, they were said to inhabit from Merca to Ras Hafun and along the “Nile of Mogadishu” (Webi Shabelle). Merca is particularly pointed out as the “Capital of Hawiye country” with over 50 settlements. Over the course of each and every century since 1150AD, the Hawiye are mentioned sporadically by famous travellers, cartographers and geographers such as Al Idrisi, Ibn Said, Al Dimashqi, Shams Al Din and Yaqut Al Hamawi. Until the advent of Adal and the peak of the Ajuran in the 16th century, figures like Al Dimashqi and Ibn Said would confirm and corroborate what had been written in 1150AD, giving strength to a case of long term settlement pattern and minimal migration or change in political scope.
Idrisi's 12th century Arab description and map of East Africa (see picture)
Ibn Said remarks on Hawiye country In the 13th century (see picture)
Ibn Said remarks of the capital of Berbera country
Shams al-Din, in his book in the 13th century also documented that Mogadishu is the land of Hawiye
Hawiye leaders welcomed Zaidite Yemeni fugitives And Zaidite soldiers to live in and work in refuge According to some traditions - Hawiye, the first son of Irir, the son of Samaale - was a revered saint named “Ahmed” and buried in Qundhudo/Qundhuro (Mount Kundudo) of the Harar region in Ethiopia. These same traditions mention a “Xaawiyal culuum” meaning the master of islamic sciences as the nickname of this saint. Hawiye and Samaale are linguistic changes from its arabic version using what is considered ‘old Somali’ where maay and maxaatiri converge -i.e Gaaljecel, Abgaal, Isaaq, Gaalkacyo, Hawiye, Samaale etc. Hawiye is said to be the older brother of Aji Irir whose descendants, the Dir, settle together in many parts of the country, converging in Ethiopia their ancestral grounds.
Mount Kundudo, Ethiopia (see picture)
Their grandfather Samaale, who first arrived on the Red Sea, had left them in Ethiopia and migrated further south to be buried in Yurkud, Luuq district of Gedo, where other Samaale clans had started to develop economy, grow and expand east and west of the Juba river to thus which all became known as the Somali peninsula.
Of a more populised geopolitical, linguistic and scientific tradition, W. W. Müller, in the 1992 Anchor Bible Dictionary, holds that the "Havilah" of Genesis must refer to a region in southwest Arabia. He locates the reference to a "Havilah" in Genesis 25:18 as referring to a southern Arabian location.
The Havilah, or the Avalite sons of Eber or Cush in Genesis 10:7, represent an early community of Afro Arabian Cushites who had once colonized Arabia. The Somali DNA is therefore said to be Semitic in origin and Afro Asiatic in speech. Their progeny, the Macrobians, were also the proto-Somali Hawiye cultural ancestors in the Horn of Africa, known for their meat with milk diet, nomadic athleticism and maritime trade history. After establishing the first port named after the Avalites in the odern day Djibouti-Zeila area the Macrobians went on to establish the famous Barbaroi city states of Malao, Mundus, Mosylon, Opone, Serapion, Essina and Toniki. They had formed several kingdoms throughout history such as the kingdoms of Barbaristan (Barbaria) and Punt. The Gulf of Barbar (Gulf of Aden) and the Sinus Barbaricus (Barbarian Sea i.e the Indian Ocean) which appear in historical writings and maps are a strong indication of the regional make-up.
King Perahu and Wife Ati of the Land of Punt. Many believe Perahu could be the name of Baraxow Raage. An early ancestor of the Gorgaarte Hawiye. The Somali Hawiye had long been protected by God in their presence in the Horn by the strong ocean currents against Aryan races of the Far North and by the highlands of the Rift Valley starting from the Danakil Depression (Djibouti-Eritrea zone) where the Valley ends in Kenya and it’s shores against ancient Hamitic Nilote races beyond the mountains in the Deep South or Central/South West.
It is by God’s will and intellect granted to Somali Hawiye that they be protected as a civilisation to survive and gain protection away from the conquerors from the high seas of the East and the high mountains of the West that they had also survived onslaughts of many ancient world powers including the Greeks under Alexander the Great and the Persians under Cyrus the Elder largely thanks to an inconquerable and dangerous Indian Ocean. It is believed here the etymology and linguistic meaning of Hawiye in the Somali language dates back to the Avalites their ancient relatives 5000 years before present. As neighbours of the Axumites (the Amhara-Tigray Habesha) and Adulis (Anfar), they went to become the medieval Moors who dominated the Indian Ocean and Red Sea including Madagascar (Malagasay/Temur), Mozambique (Sofala), the Maldives and beyond to the far lands beyond Burma, establishing ancient towns in Yemen such as Al Luhayyah. Centuries later they would go on to establish or support Ifat, Adel, Magadazo, Bale, Dawaro, Harar and Opone (Ras Hafun). Somalia, the homeland of Hawiye, is often called the “Centre of World Trade”. It is therefore important to note that Hawiye and the Somalis in general have affinities with many regional historical empires due to the silk trade route and being closer to the “Centre of the World” or the “Known World” of antiquity, such as Macrobia, Land of Punt, the Sabeans and the Kingdom of Kush.
This is correlated by facts from the historical Tafsir Ibn Kathir and Tabari. Two of the most reputable scholarly works on historical Islam and the synopsis of Messengers and Kings. It goes without saying we follow the Islamic text where it conflicts with earlier books that had long been corrupted and mismanaged by deviant rabbis or priests who dispute some of the geneaologies of the sons of Noah. The Sons of Sem — a bronze coloured lineage of scriptures, nomads and Messengers, had settled in the Middle of the Earth and long faced danger of persecution from “gentiles” such as the Romans and Persians. It was also prophecised these Japeth line of empires would dominate much of the “civilised world” towards the end of times, a notation that can be seen from their origin as fishermen and metal workers who had conquered the high seas. It had also been the practice for Prophets and Messengers to be sent to tyrants and rulers from their fellow lineages — masking off the need for future critics to discredit these men as bigots, racists or conquerors. This has been the case for Abraham and Nimrod as well as Moses and Pharoah. The further evidence is the deep narrative of these events which shows an evident lack of classism/racism against these Messengers who preached to them. See below.
According to a collection of field reports gathered by the Italian Geographical Society in 1893, these many legends are told in folklore such as below¹.
The Somalis of the South, like those of the North, belong to the cross-Semitic type, resulting from the very ancient mixture of Semitic blood with Aryan, a dark-colored and non-black race, and indeed have notable anthropological affinities with the brown European types of the Mediterranean basin . Oval face, slightly wavy or straight hair, never woolly, long and arched nose, vertical teeth, thin lips, large and wide open eyes, slender figure, delicate extremities, a combination of statuesque elegance and harmonious majesty. In the interior and on the Uebi they form a very intricate ethnic mixture from black to their copper-red color, sometimes pushed to the color of rhubarb. I will not relate here their different traditions and the many contradictions in the legends regarding their origin.
In general however, belief prevails among them, and indeed they are keen to call themselves descendants of a certain Samale (Hauija) and to have come from the East, that is, from Arabia. And such they show themselves anthropologically, being able to be considered as a graft of Arabs from Yemen, especially mixed with the Galla (Oromo), or more precisely as the perennial hybridism of these peoples and of the red type represented by the ancient Himiarites of the Strait of Bab - el - Mandeb and the ancient Egyptians.
Bibliography Bollettino della Società geografica italiana. 1893. p. 370
Original article: https://medium.com/@somaliprodigy/etymology-of-the-hawiye-80d8f92cef1b
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2024.01.04 15:17 TheRoadOfDespair Islam Prohibited Slave Women from wearing the Hijab or even Covering Their Naked Breasts in Public

Islam Prohibited Slave Women from wearing the Hijab or even Covering Their Naked Breasts in Public

Do you know that:

  1. The Hijab has nothing to do with modesty, as Islam prohibited Slave Women from taking the Hijab or even covering their naked breasts in public.
  2. According to Islam, the Hijab was considered a privilege and honor exclusively for free Muslim women, while slave women (muslim or not) were not allowed to take it.
  3. Umar Ibn Khattab used to beat slave women if they ever by mistake took the Hijab, and told them not to resemble free Muslim women by taking the Hijab.
  4. Additionally, it is worth noting that Muhammad specified that the 'Awrah (nakedness) of slave women should be from navel to knee, while their chests remained uncovered. This meant that there were thousands of slave women who appeared publicly, even in the presence of Muhammad, with their breasts exposed.
Understanding these historical facts about Islam could lead Muslim women today to reconsider the necessity of wearing the Hijab.

Muhammad revived the old custom of Arabia, where only high-status women were allowed to wear the Hijab

In pre-Islamic Arabia, there existed a cultural practice where high-status women were required to wear veils as a symbol of "honor," while prostitutes and slave women were not allowed to veil themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab#HistoryElite women in ancient Mesopotamia and in the Byzantine, Greek, and Persian empires wore the veil as a sign of respectability and high status.[74] In ancient Mesopotamia, Assyria had explicit sumptuary laws detailing which women must veil and which women must not, depending upon the woman's class, rank, and occupation in society.[74] Female slaves and prostitutes were forbidden to veil and faced harsh penalties if they did so.[7] Veiling was thus not only a marker of aristocratic rank, but also served to "differentiate between 'respectable' women and those who were publicly available".[7][74]
Muhammad did not introduce the Islamic hijab with the intention of promoting modesty, but rather he adopted the prevailing practices of the pre-Islamic Arabs. His aim was to distinguish free Muslim women from slave women through the implementation of hijab.

The Quranic Verse makes clear that Hijab was only for free Muslim women against slave women

Quran 33:59:يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَٰجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَآءِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَٰبِيبِهِنَّ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰٓ أَن يُعْرَفْنَ فَلَا يُؤْذَيْنَ ۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًاO Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments (Arabic: Jilbab); this will be more proper, so that they may be recognized (as free Women) and not annoyed/molested.
According to the consensus of Muslim Quran commentators, it is widely documented that this particular verse was revealed in response to a specific incident in Medina. During that time, people would gather and sit on the sides of the streets, subjecting passing women to harassment and molestation. However, upon the revelation of this verse, the harassment of free women ceased as they started wearing the hijab, which distinguished them from slave girls who did not wear hijab. Unfortunately, the molestation of slave girls persisted, as their lack of hijab served as a recognizable marker of their status as slaves.
Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Commentary of Verse 33:59 (link):
يقول تعالى آمراً رسوله صلى الله عليه وسلم تسليماً أن يأمر النساء المؤمنات ــــ خاصة أزواجه وبناته لشرفهن ــــ بأن يدنين عليهن من جلابيبهن ليتميزن عن سمات نساء الجاهلية وسمات الإماء ... قال السدي في قوله تعالى { يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِيُّ قُل لأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَآءِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلاَبِيبِهِنَّ ذٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَن يُعْرَفْنَ فَلاَ يُؤْذَيْنَ } قال كان ناس من فساق أهل المدينة يخرجون بالليل حين يختلظ الظلام إلى طرق المدينة يتعرضون للنساء، وكانت مساكن أهل المدينة ضيقة، فإذا كان الليل، خرج النساء إلى الطرق يقضين حاجتهن، فكان أولئك الفساق يبتغون ذلك منهن، فإذا رأوا المرأة عليها جلباب، قالوا هذه حرة، فكفوا عنها، وإذا رأوا المرأة ليس عليها جلباب، قالوا هذه أمة، فوثبوا عليها، وقال مجاهد يتجلببن فيعلم أنهن حرائر، فلا يتعرض لهن فاسق بأذى ولا ريبة.Translation:... (In this verse, Allah ordered the free women) to draw their Jilbabs over their bodies, so that they will be distinct in their appearance from the women of the Jahiliyyah and from slave women ...And As-Suddi said about the revelation of this verse 33:59 that the mischief-mongers among the people of Madīnah would come out on the streets at dusk and get after the women. The houses of the people of Madīnah [in those days] were very small in size and at nightfall the women would go out on these streets [making their way to the fields] to relieve themselves. These evil people would tease and molest these women. While if they saw a woman who would be wearing a Jilbab (cloak/outer garment), they would say she is a free woman [and not a slave] and would abstain [from molesting her] and if they saw a woman who would not be wearing a cloak, they would molest her by saying that she is a slave woman.And Mujahid said that those women would wear cloaks [in the way prescribed by the Qur'ān] so that it be known that they are free women and the mischief-mongers would not then harm or molest them.
Abu Saleh said (Tafsir-e-Tabari, Verse 33:59):
حدثنا ابن حميد، قال: ثنا حكام، عن عنبسة، عمن حدثه، عن أبـي صالـح، قال: قدم النبـيّ صلى الله عليه وسلم الـمدينة علـى غير منزل، فكان نساء النبـيّ صلى الله عليه وسلم وغيرهنّ إذا كان اللـيـل خرجن يقضين حوائجهنّ، وكان رجال يجلسون علـى الطريق للغزل، فأنزل الله: { يا أيُّها النَّبِـيُّ قُلْ لأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَناتِكَ وَنِساءِ الـمُؤْمِنِـينَ يُدْنِـينَ عَلَـيْهِنَّ مِنْ جَلابِـيبِهِنَّ } يقنعن بـالـجلبـاب حتـى تعرف الأمة من الـحرّة. Abu Saleh narrated: When the holy prophet came to Medina, he had no house in Medina. He and his wives and other women used to go outside at evening to relieve themselves. And men used to sit on the streets and used to recite poetry (to tease and molest the women). Upon that Allah revealed the verse of Hijab (33:59) so that free women could be differentiated from the slave women.
— Tafsir Abd al-Razzaq al-Sanani (d. 211 AH/826 CE) (link):
عبد الرزاق عن معمر عن الحسن قال كن إماء بالمدينة يقال لهن كذا وكذا كن يخرجن فيتعرض لهن السفهاء فيؤذوهن لأنه فكانت المرأة الحرة تخرج فيحسبون أنها أمة فيتعرضون لها ويؤذونها أخبرنا فأمر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم المؤمنات أن يدنين عليهن من جلابيبهن ذلك أدنى أن يعرفن من الإماء أنهن حرائر فلا يؤذينTranslation:Al-Hassan al-Basri (died 110 Hijri year) said: Slave women in Medina used to be called with specific names (i.e. they were molested) when they went outside. One day, some ignorant people approach women and harm them, thinking they were slave women. This was because free women would also go out, and they would be mistaken for slave women, and people would approach them and cause harm. The Prophet (peace be upon him) then commanded the believing women to bring their outer garments closer to them (i.e. to take the Hijab). This was to ensure that they would be recognized as free women and not be harmed."
Tafsir Ibn Jarir, verse 33:59 (link):
حدثنـي مـحمد بن سعد، قال: ثنـي أبـي، قال: ثنـي عمي، قال: ثنـي أبـي، عن أبـيه، عن ابن عبـاس، قوله: { يا أيُّها النَّبِـيُّ قُلْ لأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَناتِكَ وَنِساءِ الـمُؤْمِنِـينَ يُدْنِـينَ عَلَـيْهِنَّ مِنْ جَلابِـيبِهِنَّ }.... إلـى قوله: { وكانَ اللَّهُ غَفُوراً رَحِيـماً } قال: كانت الـحرّة تلبس لبـاس الأمة، فأمر الله نساء الـمؤمنـين أن يدنـين علـيهنّ من جلابـيبهنّ ، وأدنى الجلباب: أن تقنع، وتشده على جبينها.Ibn Abbas said about the verse 33:59, the free (Muslim) women used to dress same as the slave women. Upon that Allah ordered them that they let down upon them their over-garments (Arabic: Jilbab), and letting the outer-garment means to cover their faces and to tie it on their foreheads.
From Mujahid (link):
عن مـجاهد، قوله: { يُدْنِـينَ عَلَـيْهِنَّ مِنْ جَلابِـيبِهِنَّ } يتـجلببن فـيُعلـم أنهنّ حوائر فلا يعرض لهنّ فـاسق بأذى من قول ولا ريبة.According to Mujahid, regarding the phrase "to bring their outer garments closer to them" (Quran 33:59), it means that they should wear veils that clearly indicate they are free women, so that no immoral person would harm them or have any doubt about their status.
Ibn Kathir also wrote in his commentary under verse 24:31 of Surah Nur (link):
هذا أمر من الله تعالى للنساء المؤمنات، وغيرة منه لأزواجهن عباده المؤمنين، وتمييز لهن عن صفة نساء الجاهلية وفعال المشركات. وكان سبب نزول هذه الآية ما ذكره مقاتل بن حيان قال بلغنا ــــ والله أعلم ــــ أن جابر بن عبد الله الأنصاري حدث أن أسماء بنت مرشدة كانت في محل لها في بني حارثة، فجعل النساء يدخلن عليها غير متأزرات، فيبدو ما في أرجلهن من الخلاخل، وتبدو صدورهن وذوائبهن، فقالت أسماء ما أقبح هذا فأنزل الله تعالى { وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَـٰتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَـٰرِهِنَّ }This is a command (i.e. veiling) from Allah Almighty to the believing women, as a protection for their honor and a distinction from the characteristics of women in the pre-Islamic era and the practices of pagan women. The reason behind the revelation of this verse, as mentioned by Muqatil ibn Hayyan, is that Jabir ibn Abdullah al-Ansari reported that Asma bint Marwan had a designated place in Bani Haritha, where women would visit her without wearing veils. Thus, their ankles would be exposed, along with their chests and ornaments. Upon seeing this, Asma expressed her disapproval. As a result, Allah Almighty revealed the verse: "And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision [i.e., to look down and not to expose their adornment]..." (Quran 24:31).
Names of 12 Sahaba (companions) and Tabaeen (successors) who reported it are:
  1. ٰIbn Abbas (ابن عبـاس): Tafsir Ibn Jarir
  2. Suddi ( السدي): Tafsir Ibn Kathir
  3. Abu Malik ( أبي مالك): Tafsir Durr-e-Manthur
  4. Abu Saleh (أبي صالح)ٰ: Tafsir Ibn Jarir
  5. Ibn Shahab (ابن شهاب): Tafsir Durr-e-Manthur
  6. Qatadah (قتادة): Tafsir Ibn Jarir
  7. 'Aisha (عائشة)ََ: Tafsir Durr-eManthur
  8. Kalbi (الكلبي): Tafsir Durr-e-Manthur
  9. Muawiyyah bin Qurrah (معاوية بن قرة): Tafsir Durr-e-Manthur
  10. Hasan (حسن): Tafsir Durr-e-Manthur
  11. Mujahid (مجاهد): Tafsir Ibn Jarir
  12. Muhammad bin Ka'b al-Qarzi (محمد بن كعب القرظي): Tafsir Durr-e-Manthur
Note:
Islamic preachers often assert that those individuals who engaged in harassment and molestation of women while sitting on the sides of the streets were hypocrites. However, this claim is contested by some who argue that they were not hypocrites but rather companions of Muhammad (Sahaba).
These individuals, who engaged in harassment and molestation, were not addressed as hypocrites in the Quran. Surprisingly, the Quran neither issued warnings nor threats against them, let alone punishments. Instead, the Quran seemingly allowed them to continue their misconduct towards slave women, while providing protection only to free women through the requirement of hijab.
This portrayal of events raises concerns, as it appears that the Quran provided no safeguards for the well-being of slave women, inadvertently granting these individuals a "license" to persist in their mistreatment of vulnerable slave girls.

Hijab has nothing to do with modesty, but it is this respect and acknowledgement of women's autonomy that truly embodies the concept of modesty

Regrettably, a significant majority of ordinary Muslims today remain unaware of the historical realities and complexities surrounding hijab and its relation to Islam. This truth often comes as a surprise to them, as many Islamic preachers strive to conceal or downplay these aspects.
It is common for some Muslims to assert that women must wear hijab in order to prevent men from experiencing lustful desires, using the analogy that an uncovered candy attracts flies. However, it is important to recognize that this viewpoint oversimplifies the multifaceted reasons and interpretations associated with hijab within the Islamic tradition.
Please see, it was Islam which compelled thousands of slave women to move in public without a Hijab (i.e. without a wrapper). So, the question is, did Islam thus make Sahaba sexually aroused and did Sahaba rape those slave women for having naked breasts in public?
Reality:
  • Hijab has nothing to do with modesty, but modesty is truly defined by the respect for women and their autonomy to make choices about their lives.
  • The Western world, with its emphasis on upholding women's rights and their choices, is a true example of modesty and decency. Yes, the situation on ground is not 100% perfect, but their laws and education go in the right direction.
  • Hijab is not modesty, but for 14 prolonged centuries, it has been a distressing symbol of severe discrimination against impoverished slave women.

Role of Umar Ibn Khattab in revelation of the Hijab Ruling

It is known that Muhammad faced challenges when it came to rejecting Umar's desires and suggestions. Throughout Muhammad's life, there were instances where Umar made wishes or suggestions, and Muhammad later claimed to receive revelations in alignment with those desires.
This pattern is observed in the context of veiling women as well. It appears that Umar Ibn Khattab played a significant role in advocating for the veiling of free Muslim women, as he engaged in multiple discussions with Muhammad on the matter (Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 146).
Subsequently, following the unfortunate incident of women being molested in Medina, Muhammad claimed that the verses regarding veiling were revealed in accordance with Umar's desires.
However, it is worth noting that Umar held more extreme views on this matter. It appears that he was not content with the ruling of veiling for women and sought something beyond that. This becomes apparent through an incident involving Umar and Sawda, one of Muhammad's wives, which took place after the revelation of the hijab verses
Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 4795:
Narrated Aisha: Sauda (the wife of the Prophet) went out to answer the call of nature after it was made obligatory (for all the Muslims ladies) to observe the veil. She had a large frame and everybody who knew her before could recognize her. So `Umar bin Al-Khattab saw her and said, "O Sauda! By Allah, you cannot hide yourself from us, so think of a way by which you should not be recognized on going out. Sauda returned while Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was in my house taking his supper and a bone covered with meat was in his hand. She entered and said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I went out to answer the call of nature and `Umar said to me so-and-so." Then Allah inspired him (the Prophet) and when the state of inspiration was over and the bone was still in his hand as he had not put in down, he said (to Sauda), "You (women) have been allowed to go out for your needs."
To those who advocate for Umar's stance, one might question the following:
Why should Sawda, or any woman for that matter, bear the burden of constantly finding new ways to conceal herself and endure the added restrictions? What harm would it have caused if people still recognized her when she ventured outside?
Interestingly, while Umar expressed dissatisfaction with Hafsa's veiling, he paradoxically resorted to physically disciplining slave women for attempting to wear hijab by beating them with a stick. Furthermore, he even stripped them of their jilbab (outer garment sheet), as we will explore further in this article.

Umar Ibn Khattab, the second Caliph, used to beat the slave women with a stick if they ever attempted to take Hijab (Jilbab)

According to authentic traditions, Umar Ibn Khattab used to beat those slave girls with a stick, who ever attempted to hide their naked bodies by taking Jilbab. He used to tell those slave girls not to try to become equal in status with the free Muslim women by taking Jilbab/Muqna (Jilbab and Muqna, both are outer garments, used for Hijab) .
Saudi grand hadith master Sheikh Albani recorded this authentic tradition (link):
حدثنا وكيع قال : حدثنا شعبة عن قتادة عن أنس قال : " رأى عمر أمة لنا مقنعة فضربها وقال : لا تشبهين بالحرائر " . قلت : وهذا إسناد صحيح
Companion Anas reported: "Umar saw one of our slave girls covering herself with Muqna (which is an outer garment like Jilbab and was used to cover the breasts and body), so he struck her and said, 'Do not resemble the free women.
I (i.e. Sheikh Albani) say: 'And this chain of narration is authentic.'This same tradition is also narrated by Ibn Qalabah (link).
Abdur Razzak (d 211 Hijri year) recorded this narration (link):
عبد الرزاق عن معمر عن أيوب عن نافع أن عمر رأى جارية خرجت من بيت حفصة متزينة عليها جلباب أو من بيت بعض أزواج النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم فدخل عمر البيت فقال من هذه الجارية فقالوا أمة لنا – أو قالوا أمة لآل فلان – فتغيظ عليهم وقال أتخرجون إماءكم بزينتها تفتنون الناسUmar once saw a young girl leaving the house of Hafsa (his daughter), adorned with a cloak (i.e. Jilbab) — or, from one of the houses of the Prophet’s wives. Umar entered the house and said, “Who is this girl?” They said, “A slave of ours” — or, a slave of someone’s family. He became enraged at them and said, “Your slave girls left with their adornment, and created discord (by taking Jilbab) amongst the people (while they were unable to distinguish her from the free Muslim women).”
And Saudi grand hadith master Sheikh Albani recorded this tradition (link):
حدثنا على بن مسهر عن المختار بن فلفل عن أنس بن مالك قال: " دخلت على عمر بن الخطاب أمة قد كان يعرفها لبعض المهاجرين أو الأنصار , وعليها جلباب متقنعة به , فسألها: عتقت؟ قالت: لا: قال: فما بال الجلباب؟! ضعيه عن رأسك , إنما الجلباب على الحرائر من نساء المؤمنين , فتلكأت , فقام إليها بالدرة , فضرب بها رأسها حتى ألقته عن رأسها ".قلت: وهذا سند صحيح على شرط مسلم.Anas bin Malik said: "I entered upon Umar bin Al-Khattab with a female slave that he knew, either from the Muhajireen or the Ansar, and she was wearing a well-adorned cloak (i.e. Jilbab, which was used to cover her breasts and body with it). He asked her, 'Have you been set free?' She replied, 'No.' He then said, 'What is with the cloak?' 'Take it off your head. The cloak is only for the free women among the believers.' She hesitated, so he got up and took it off her head forcefully, hitting her with a whip until he removed it from her head."I (i.e. Sheikh Albani) say, "And this chain is authentic according to the conditions of Muslim.
Imam Ibn Abi Shayba also recorded this tradition (link):
حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ ، عَنْ خَالِدٍ ، عَنْ أَبِي قِلَابَةَ ، قَالَ : كَانَ عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ لَا يَدْعُ فِي خِلَافَتِهِ أَمَةً تَقَنَّعُ ، قَالَ : قَالَ عُمَرُ : إِنَّمَا الْقِنَاعُ لِلْحَرَائِرِ لَكَيْلَا لَا يُؤْذَيْنَNarrated to us Hushaym, from Khalid, from Abu Qilaba, who said: "Umar ibn al-Khattab, during his caliphate, did not leave any slave girl who could cover herself. He said: 'Covering oneself is only for free (Muslim/Believing) women, so they may not be harmed (i.e. people can differentiate them with slave women and don't harm the free Muslim women).'"
The traditions related to Umar Ibn Khattab further corroborate the twelve traditions that highlight the revelation of the hijab verse (33:59) as a means to distinguish between slave women and free Muslim women. These traditions collectively provide supporting evidence for this understanding of the verse's purpose.

Looking and touching the private parts of half-naked slave women in the Islamic Bazaars of slavery

The 1400 years of history of Islam also consists of this shameful act against humanity, where Muslim men forced those women/girls to become half naked by exposing their breasts, and then forced them to stand in front of thousands of men in the Islamic Bazaars of slavery, who not only looked at them with lust but they were also allowed to touch their private parts (as if they were sheep and goats).
Imam Bayhiqi wrote in his book Sunan al-Kubra (link):
عن نافع ، عن ابن عمر ” أنه كان إذا اشترى جارية كشف عن ساقها ووضع يده بين ثدييها و على عجزهاTranslation:Nafe’e narrated that whenever Ibn Umar wanted to buy a slave girl, he would uncover her leg and place his hand between her breasts and on her buttocks.
Musanaf Abdul Razzaq recorded this tradition (link):
عبد الرزاق ، عن الثوري ، عن جابر ، عن الشعبي قال : " إذا كان الرجل يبتاع الأمة ، فإنه ينظر إلى كلها إلا الفرج " .Shu’bi said: If any man has to buy a slave girl, then he can see the whole of her body, except for her vagina
Musanaf Ibn Abi Shayba, Volume 4, page 289 Tradition 20241 (link):
نا علي بن مسهر عن عبيدالله عن نافع عن ابن عمر أنه إذا أراد أن يشتري الجارية وضع يده على أليتيها وبين فخذيها وربما كشف عن ساقها‘Naf’e reported: Ibn Umar, when intending to buy a slave girl, would place his hand on her breasts, between her thighs, and sometimes even expose her leg.
Musnaf Abdur Razak, Volume 7, page 286, Tradition 13204 (link):
13204 عبد الرزاق ، عن ابن عيينة قال : وأخبرني ابن أبي نجيح ، عن مجاهد قال : " وضع ابن عمر يده بين ثدييها ، ثم هزها " .
‘Mujahid reported that ibn Umar placed his hand between (a slave girl’s) breasts and shook them’
Musanaf Ibn Abi Shayba, Volume 4, page 289 Tradition 20241 (link):
حدثنا جرير عن منصور عن مجاهد قال : كنت مع ابن عمر أمشي في السوق فإذا نحن بناس من النخاسين قد اجتمعوا على جارية يقلبونها ، فلما رأوا ابن عمر تنحوا وقالوا : ابن عمر قد جاء ، فدنا منها ابن عمر فلمس شيئا من جسدها وقال : أين أصحاب هذه الجارية ، إنما هي سلعةMujahid said: ‘I was walking with ibn Umar in a slave market, then we saw some slave dealers gathered around one slave girl and they were checking her, when they saw Ibn Umar, they stopped and said: ‘Ibn Umar has arrived’. Then ibn Umar came closer to the slave girl, he touched some parts of her body and then said: ‘Who is the owner of this slave girl, she is just a commodity!’
Imam Shaybani (died 189 hijri year) wrote in his book al-Masoot (link):
ولا ينبغي للرجل أن ينظر من أمة غيره إذا كانت بالغة أو تشتهي مثلها أو توطأ إلا ما ينظر إليه من ذوات المحرم ولا بأس بأن ينظر إلى شعرها وإلى صدرها وإلى ثديها وعضدها وقدمها وساقها ولا ينظر إلى بطنها ولا إلى ظهرها ولا إلى ما بين السرة منها حتى يجاوز الركبة"It is not permissible for a man to look at the body of a female slave who is mature or whom he desires, except for what is allowed in the case of mahram (close relatives). There is no harm in looking at her hair, chest, breasts, shoulders, arms, and legs. However, one should not look at her stomach, back, or the area between her navel and knee.".
The slave women of Umar Ibn Khattab used to serve men with naked breasts. Imam Bayhiqi recorded this tradition and declared it "Sahih" in his book al-Sunan al-Kubra (link):
ثم روى من طريق حماد بن سلمة قالت : حدثني ثمامة بن عبد الله بن أنس عن جده أنس بن مالك قال : " كن إماء عمر رضي الله عنه يخدمننا كاشفات عن شعورهن تضطرب ثديهن " . قلت : وإسناده جيد رجاله كلهم ثقات غير شيخ البيهقي أبي القاسم عبد الرحمن بن عبيد الله الحربي ( 1 ) وهو صدوق كما قال الخطيب ( 10 / 303 ) وقال البيهقي عقبه : " والاثار عن عمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه في ذلك صحيحة " .Anas bin Malik said: ‘The female slaves of Umar were serving us with uncovered hair and their breasts shaking”Sheikh Albani also declared it "Sahih" (Link).
This humiliation of the slave woman raises serious questions about the concept of "Islamic modesty."

All four Sunni Imams are unanimous that the nakedness (Awrah عورۃ) of a slave woman is from the navel to the knee

Even when Islam was not selling the slave women in the Bazaars, still it forced them to move outside in public, with naked breasts, while Islam declared the intimate parts of slave women (‘Awrah) of slave women were from the navel to the knee only.
It is perhaps the “Biggest Contradiction” in Islam. On one side, Islam asked free Muslim women to wear a full-body Hijab, but on the other side, Islam snatched away the right of Hijab from slave women and even forced them to move outside with naked breasts.
All four Sunni Imams of Fiqh are unanimous that the nakedness of a slave woman is only from the navel to the knee.

Slave women were standing in the mosques with naked breasts, during prayers

What's more, slave women were offering their PRAYERS with naked breasts. Imam Ibn Hazm recorded in his book Al-Muhala, Kitab al-Rizaa, Volume 10 page 23 (link):
Another Saudi grand Mufti Sheikh Uthaymeen gave this fatwa (link)
Imam Ibn Abi Shaybah made a whole chapter with the name "في الأمة تصلي بغير خمار slave woman will pray without a veil" and there he recorded 18 traditions (link)

The Video of Naked Slave Girls in Saudi Arabia in 1964

Saudi Arabia strongly resisted the abolition of slavery. However, under pressure from the Western world, it was forced to officially ban slavery in 1962. Nevertheless, the practice continued secretly for several more years. The following video is from 1964 and you can see slave girls in it with naked breasts.
This video is age-restricted, and you have to watch it directly on YouTube. Here is the direct link.

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2023.12.31 17:31 -Demjin- İslam'da Dünya'nın Şekli - 1

İslam'da Dünya'nın Şekli - 1
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Merhaba, Kuran'da tam olarak dünya düzdür ya da geoittir gibi bir söylemde bulunmasa da bazı ayetlerde Dünya hakkında bilgi vermekte. Burada birazcık arapça bilgisi gerekecek, ondan dolayı İslam Wiki'yi kullandım. Sadece türkçeye çevireceğim, bir sorununuz varsa gidin site ile görüşün.
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İlk olarak ayetlerle başlıyacağım. Sonradan hadislere gireriz, iyi okumalar.

İslam'da Dünya'nın düz olduğunu direkt ima eden ayetler:

Bakara 22; O, yeri sizin için döşek, göğü de bina yapan, gökten su indirip onunla size rızık olarak çeşitli ürünler çıkarandır. Öyleyse siz de bile bile Allah'a ortaklar koşmayın.
Arapçası; الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الأَرْضَفِرَاشاًوَالسَّمَاء بِنَاء وَأَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّمَاء مَاء فَأَخْرَجَ بِهِ مِنَ الثَّمَرَاتِ رِزْقاً لَّكُمْ فَلاَ تَجْعَلُواْ لِلّهِ أَندَاداً وَأَنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ
Kelimenin anlamı; فِرَٰشًا = firashan = a thing that is spread upon the ground, a thing that is spread for one to sit or lie upon. = Yere yayılmış bir şey, oturmak ya da uzanmak için yayılmış bir şey.
Hicr 19; Yeri de yaydık, ona sabit dağlar yerleştirdik ve orada ölçülü (bir biçimde) her şeyi bitirdik.
Arapçası; وَالأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا وَأَلْقَيْنَا فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ شَيْءٍ مَّوْزُونٍ
Kelimenin anlamı; مَدَدْ = madad = extend by drawing or pulling, stretch out, expand = Çekerek uzatılan, uzatılan, genişletilen.
Taha 53; "Rabbim, yeryüzünü size beşik yapan, orada size yollar açan ve size gökten yağmur indirendir." Böylece onunla sizin için yerden türlü türlü bitkileri çift çift çıkardık.
Arapçası; الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ مَهْدًا وَسَلَكَ لَكُمْ فِيهَا سُبُلًا وَأَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّمَاء مَاء فَأَخْرَجْنَا بِهِ أَزْوَاجًا مِّن نَّبَاتٍ شَتَّى
Kelimenin anlamı; مَهْدًا = mahdan = cradle or bed; a plain, even, or smooth expanse = beşik veya yatak; düz, düz veya pürüzsüz bir genişlik.
Zuhruf 10; O, yeryüzünü size beşik yapan ve gideceğiniz yere ulaşasınız diye sizin için orada yollar var edendir.
Arapçası; الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ مَهْدًا وَجَعَلَ لَكُمْ فِيهَا سُبُلًا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ
Kelimenin anlamı; مَهْدًا = mahdan = cradle or bed; a plain, even, or smooth expanse = beşik veya yatak; düz, düz veya pürüzsüz bir genişlik.
Kaf 7; Yeryüzünü de yaydık ve orada sabit dağlar yerleştirdik. Orada her türden iç açıcı çift bitkiler bitirdik.
Arapçası; وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا وَأَلْقَيْنَا فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ بَهِيجٍ
Kelimenin anlamı; مَهْدًا = mahdan = cradle or bed; a plain, even, or smooth expanse = beşik veya yatak; düz, düz veya pürüzsüz bir genişlik.
Zariyat 48; Yeri de biz döşedik. Biz ne güzel döşeyiciyiz.
Arapçası; وَالْأَرْضَ فَرَشْنَاهَا فَنِعْمَ الْمَاهِدُونَ
Kelimenin anlamı; فَرَشَْ = farasha (Bakara 22 uses this word in the noun form) = spread or expand, spread a bed or carpet = yaymak veya genişletmek, bir yatak veya halı yaymak.
İbn Majah'ın bir hadisinde ''Furushaat'' kelimesini yatak anlamında çoğul olarak kullanılır.
Hadis; Sizin görmediğiniz şeyleri duyarım, sizin görmediğiniz şeyleri görürüm. Cennet gıcırdıyor ve gıcırdamalı! Çünkü orada dört parmaklık bir boşluk bile yok ama orada Allah'a secde eden bir melek var. Allah'a yemin ederim ki, bildiklerimi bilseydiniz, çok az gülerdiniz ve çok ağlardınız, yataklarınızda (الْفُرُشَاتِ, al-furushaat) kadınlardan asla zevk almazdınız ve Allah'a yalvararak sokaklara çıkardınız. (Ya hadis çok epik ya benim çevirim kötü, özür)
Nuh 19-20; Allah, yeryüzünü sizin için bir sergi yapmıştır ki, oradaki geniş yollarda yürüyesiniz.
Arapçası; وَاللَّهُ جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ بِسَاطًا
Kelime anlamı; بِسَاطًا = bisaatan = A thing that is spread or spread out or forth, and particularly a carpet (from the same root we also have بَسَاطٌ = bisaatun = Land, expanded and even; and wide or spacious) = Yayılan bir şey, yayılmak, ve özellikle halı (aynı köke sahip بَسَاطٌ = bisaatun = Arazi, genişletilmiş, geniş)
Tirmizi'de bir hadisde Keçe/Hasır yaymak demek için (فَبَسَطَ لَهُمْ بِسَاطا) fa-basata la-hum bisaatan kullanmıştır.Hadis (Çok uzun ve konuyla alakasız gidip and he spread out a mat for them kelimesinin karşılığına bakabillirsiniz.)
Nebe 6-7; Biz, yeryüzünü bir döşek, dağları da birer kazık yapmadık mı?
Arapçası; أَلَمْ نَجْعَلِ الْأَرْضَ مِهَادًا
Kelime anlamı; مِهَٰدًا (same as مَهْدًا mahdan) = cradle or bed; a plain, even, or smooth expanse = beşik veya yatak; düz, düz veya pürüzsüz bir genişlik.
Gaşiye 20; Yeryüzüne bakmıyorlar mı, nasıl yayılmıştır!
Arapçası; وَإِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَيْفَ سُطِحَتْ
Kelime anlamı; سَطَّحَ = spread out or forth, expand = Yayılmış, genişletilmiş.
''Sataha'' kelimesi, bir evin tavanının veya tabanının düz olması için kullanılır. Aynı kökten türetilen kelimeler şu anlama gelir: Bir evin veya odanın düz üst yüzeyi veya çatısı, geometride sınırlı bir düzlem, tarihlerin yayılabileceği düz bir yer, oklavayla (hamuru genişleten), düzlem veya düz. Bugün düz dünya demek için kullanılan kelime الأر م مسطحة (al-ard musattaha), musattaha kelimesi sutihat kelimesi ile aynı kökten gelmektedir.
El-Celaleyn tefsirinde sutihat kelimesi yeryüzünün düz olduğunu açıklamak için kullanılır. Bu bölümün yazarı (galiba tefsirden bahsetmiş) al-Mahalli, düz Dünya'nın gerçek olduğunu, yasanın bilim adamlarının teorisi olduğunu savunuyor.
Şems 6; Yere ve onu yayıp döşeyene andolsun.
Arapçası; وَالْأَرْضِ وَمَا طَحَاهَا
Kelime anlamı; طَحَاهَا = tahaha = spread out, expanse = Yayan, genişleten.

Kuran'da Dünya'nın düz olduğunu dolaylı ima eden ayetler:

Kehf 86; Güneşin battığı yere varınca, onu siyah balçıklı bir su gözesinde batar (gibi) buldu. Orada (kafir) bir kavim gördü. "Ey Zülkarneyn! Ya (onları) cezalandırırsın ya da haklarında iyilik yolunu tutarsın" dedik.
Arapçası; حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَوَجَدَ عِندَهَا قَوْمًا قُلْنَا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّا أَن تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّا أَن تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنًا
Düz dünya anlayışı Güneş'İn suya battığını söyleyen tek iddiadır. Aynı efsane Süryanice ve Arapça şiirlerde de kullanılmıştır. Güneş'İn Dünya'nın ''Batı'' bölümünde yer alan bir su kaynağına battığı fikri tanıtıldı ve Kuran'da da bu fikrin kalmasına izin verildi.
Bakara 187; Oruç gecesinde kadınlarınıza yaklaşmak size helal kılındı. Onlar, size örtüdürler, siz de onlara örtüsünüz. Allah, (Ramazan gecelerinde hanımlarınıza yaklaşarak) kendinize zulmetmekte olduğunuzu bildi de tövbenizi kabul edip sizi affetti. Artık eşlerinize yaklaşın ve Allah'ın sizin için yazıp takdir etmiş olduğu şeyi arayın. Şafağın aydınlığı gecenin karanlığından ayırt edilinceye (tan yeri ağarıncaya) kadar yiyin, için. Sonra da akşama kadar orucu tam tutun. Bununla birlikte siz mescitlerde itikafta iken eşlerinize yaklaşmayın. Bunlar, Allah'ın koyduğu sınırlardır. Bu sınırlara yaklaşmayın. Allah, kendine karşı gelmekten sakınsınlar diye, ayetlerini insanlara böylece açıklar.
Bu ayet İslam'ın şartlarından orucun gerekliliklerini anlatmaktadır. Şafak ve akşam karanlığı arasında yemek yiyemez, içemez ve cinsel ilişkiye girilemez. Kur'an kendisini her yerde her zaman tüm insanlar için rehberlik içeren olarak tasarlar, ancak burada yer alan talimatlar, Dünya'nın en kuzeyinde ve güneyinde olan insanlar için kelimenin tam anlamıyla geçerli değildir. Buralarda yaşayan insanlara genelde İslam alimleri ayetin gerçek anlamının istisnalara izin verdiğini söylemekle yetinirken, İslami kaynaklarda özel olarak bu sorundan bahsedilmiş gibi görünmüyor. Bu kanıtlara dayanarak, ilk inananlar ya dönen Dünya ile yörüngesediği yıldız (Güneş) arasında var olan dinamik sistemin ayrıntıları hakkında yanıldılar ya da daha büyük olasılıkla sistemin tamamen farkında değillerdi.
İsra 78; Güneşin zevalinden (öğle vaktinde Batı'ya kaymasından) gecenin karanlığına kadar (belli vakitlerde) namazı kıl. Bir de sabah namazını kıl. Çünkü sabah namazı şahitlidir.
Örneğin, Aberdeen(İskoçya'nın bir kenti), İskoçya'da, şafak namazı ve yatsı namazı arasındaki süre Haziran ayında yaklaşık 4 buçuk saattir, böylece pratikte bir Müslümanın namaz için Saat 3:20 civarında düzenli olarak uyanması gerekecektir. Bu konular giderek daha komplikeşerek daha da karmaşıklaşıyor. Hatta Güneşin yönünde veya karşısına uçan birinin günün hızla değişen zamanı nedeniyle insan uçakta hareket ederken bazı duaları tekrar edip etmemesi hakkında tartışmalar dahi vardır. Bu görünüşlerle, Kuran'da belirtilen ritüeller ve talimatlar, 7.yüzyıldan kalma bir çöl kentinin daha sınırlı kitlesine ve anlayışına yönelikti.
Kaynak;1985 Discovery uzay mekiği uçuşuna başlamadan önce, yük mühendisi olarak görev yapmak üzere seçilen, uzaydaki ilk Müslüman olan Suudi prens Sultan bin Selman, daha sonra Suudi Arabistan Büyük Müftüsü olan Şeyh Abd el-Aziz ibn Baz'a şu unutulmaz satırları söyledi:
"Bak," dedi Sultan ona, “saatte on sekiz bin mil hızla Seyahat edeceğiz. Her yirmi dört saatte bir on altı gün doğumu ve gün batımını göreceğim. Yani bu Ramazan'ı iki gün içinde bitireceğim anlamına mı geliyor? Şeyh bunu sevdi-yüksek sesle güldü. Prens,” Mekke ile yüzleşmeye çalışmak iyi olmaz " diye hatırlıyor.
Bakara 144; (Ey Muhammed!) Biz senin çok defa yüzünü göğe doğru çevirip durduğunu (vahiy beklediğini) görüyoruz. (Merak etme) elbette seni, hoşnut olacağın kıbleye çevireceğiz. (Bundan böyle), yüzünü Mescid-i Haram yönüne çevir. (Ey Müslümanlar!) Siz de nerede olursanız olun, (namazda) yüzünüzü hep onun yönüne çevirin. Şüphesiz kendilerine kitap verilenler, bunun Rabblerinden (gelen) bir gerçek olduğunu elbette bilirler. Allah, onların yaptıklarından habersiz değildir.
Namazda Kabe'ye doğru yönelmek;, (Arapça kelime ile ilgili anlamamanız normal)
Bu ayet, Kabe'ye doğru dua etmeyi emreder (Ka'bah'a doğru dua etmek için kişinin doğrulması gereken yöne atıfta bulunan kıble kelimesi). Kelimenin tam anlamıyla, Ka'bah'a doğru "yüzünü çevirmek" sadece düz bir Dünyada mümkündür, çünkü küresel bir Dünyada, Kabe'nin yakın çevresinden başka herhangi bir yönde yapılan bir dua, Mekke'ye değil, gökyüzüne ve nihayetinde uzaya işaret edecektir.
Sol üst: Yeryüzünün küreselliği nedeniyle herhangi bir yönde kılınacak bir dua Mekke'ye değil gökyüzüne/dış uzaya işaret edecektir. Sağ üst: Yeryüzünün karşı tarafında bulunan insanlar, yeryüzünün merkezine doğru dikey olarak dua etmek zorunda kalacak ve ka'bah'ın tam yönünde dışkılayacakları için küfürden de suçlu olacaklardı. Sol alt: Özellikle Ka'bah'ın antipodunda bulunuyorsa, ka'bah'a yönelik yüzleri ve arka tarafları ile her zaman aynı anda dua edilir. Sağ alt: Ka'bah'ın antipodundan herhangi bir yön Mekke'ye 'doğru' bakıyor ve sonuç olarak doğru olanın olacağı tek bir yön yok.
Başka geometrik problemler de ortaya çıkıyor. Örneğin: Amerika büyük ölçüde Antipod yarımküresinde (bir kürenin tam karşısında) Mekkedeki Kabe bulunmaktadır. Bu nedenle, Amerikalı Müslümanlar arasında rhumb hattı yöntemi sıklıkla tercih edilir, çünkü kıtadaki büyük daire çizgileri, Mekke'nin yarımküresine girdiklerinde yakınsamaya başlamadan önce tam karşısından ayrılır ve Amerika kıtasındaki kuzey ve güneydeki insanların namaz kılarken her birinden uzaklaşmasına neden olur. Bir başka zor durum, Mekke'nin tam karşısında bulunan bir kişinin, hangi yöne dönerlerse dönsünler, aynı anda Mekke'ye dönük olmasıdır, bu da Ka'bah'ın duvarları içinde dua etmeye çalışan bir kişinin durumuna benzer bir durumdur.
Kehf 47; O gün dağları yürüteceğiz. Ve yeryüzünü dümdüz görürsün. Hiç kimseyi bırakmaksızın onların tamamını mahşerde toplarız.
Arapçası; وَيَوْمَ نُسَيِّرُ الْجِبَالَ وَتَرَى الْأَرْضَ بَارِزَةً وَحَشَرْنَاهُمْ فَلَمْ نُغَادِرْ مِنْهُمْ أَحَدًا
Kelimenin anlamı; بَارِزَةً = baarizatan = Wholey, or entirely, apparent or manifest, Land that is open, apparent, or uncovered, upon which is no mountain or any other thing. = Bütün ya da tamamen açık, üzerinde başka bir şey bulmayan arazi.
Taha 15-16-17; (Ey Muhammed!) Sana dağların (kıyamet günündeki) halini soruyorlar. De ki: "Rabbim onları toz edip savuracak." "Onların yerlerini dümdüz, boş bir alan halinde bırakacaktır." "Yerlerinde bir eğrilik de bir yumruluk da görmeyeceksin."
Arapçası; أَمْتًا فَيَذَرُهَا قَاعًا صَفْصَفًا لَا تَرَى فِيهَا عِوَجًا وَلَا أَمْتًا
Kelimenin anlamı; Fayatharuha ('فَيَذَرُهَا) kelimesi dişil ''o'' anlamına gelen kadınsı ''ha'' ekine sahiptir. Burada o neredeyse kesinlikle ''o'' derken Dünya'ya atıfta bulunnmuştur. Benzer şekilde çevrilen kelime 'Wherein' فِيهَا feeha (kelimenin anlamı 'içinde') ve kadınsı 'it' son ekine de sahiptir. Bu ayetlerde başka tekil kadınsı isimler bulunmadığından ve Kur'an'ın 18:47'de sağladığı bağlam nedeniyle zamirin el-ard'a (Dünya) atıfta bulunduğu açıktır.صَفْصَفاا = safsafan = bir seviye veya eşit bir toprak veya toprak yolu.عِوَجاا = aaiwajan = çarpıklık, eğrilik, bükülme, sarma, bükülme , kırışıklık, bozulma veya düzensizlikأَمْتاا = amtan = eğrilik, çarpıklık veya düzensizlik; farklı yerlerde sağlamlık ve pürüzsüzlük; depresyon ve yükseklik; küçük tepeler ve oyuklar..
Rahman 17; O, iki doğunun ve iki batının Rabbidir.
Klasik tefsirciler fikirbirliğiyle Güneş'İn yaz ve kış gündönümlerinde doğduğu ve bu gündönümü günlerinde battığı iki yere olduğuna kanaat getirmişlerdir. Bu da mashriq ve maghrib'in (doğu ve batı) gerçek anlamlarına da uyar. Benzer şekilde Mearic 40. ayette klasik olarak güneşin doğduğu ve bu aralıklar arasında battığı tüm farklı yerlere atıfta bulunduğu anlaşılmıştır. Kelimenin tam anlamıyla bu açıklamalar sadece Düz dünya için mümkün olabilir. Küresel bir Dünya'da olduğu gibi, "iki Doğu" ve "iki Batı" yalnızca belirli, fiziksel bir doğadan yoksun göreceli ve sürekli değişen konumlardır, yani Dünya'da kesinlikle ve evrensel olarak "iki doğudan biri" olarak tanımlanabilecek bir yer veya hatta yön yoktur.
Bakara 22; O, yeri sizin için döşek, göğü de bina yapan, gökten su indirip onunla size rızık olarak çeşitli ürünler çıkarandır. Öyleyse siz de bile bile Allah'a ortaklar koşmayın.
Binaa veya binaan (بِنَاء ). Bu kelime "bina" anlamına gelir. Burada gökler, yeryüzünün üzerinde çok katlı bir bina olarak tanımlanır. Bu binanın gök denilen yedi katmanı veya hikayesi vardır. Gökler "yer" adı verilen bir temel üzerine kuruludur. İbn Kathir'in tefsirleri, diğerlerinin yanı sıra, bunu detaylandırır.
Tefsir; Bu Ayetlar, Allah'ın yeryüzünü yaratarak yaratılışa başladığını, sonra cenneti yedi gök haline getirdiğini gösterir. Bina genellikle alt katlar ve daha sonra en üst katlarla böyle başlar.
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2023.11.26 13:24 pechitosmactetis Descubre Tafsir.es: Una Puerta al Corán en Español

Me complace presentarles un proyecto al que he dedicado mucho esfuerzo y amor: Tafsir.es. Esta plataforma es un recurso único para aquellos interesados en profundizar su comprensión del Corán en nuestro idioma, el español.
¿Qué es Tafsir.es?
Tafsir.es ofrece audios explicativos de las diferentes suras del Corán, basados en las interpretaciones del respetado Prof. Nouman Ali Khan. Mi objetivo ha sido traducir fielmente su Tafsir del inglés al español, manteniendo la esencia y el mensaje original de sus enseñanzas.
¿Por Qué Tafsir.es?
Fidelidad al Mensaje Original: Me he esforzado por asegurar que cada traducción refleje con precisión el significado y la intención de las palabras del Prof. Khan.
Accesibilidad en Español: Reconociendo la barrera del idioma, Tafsir.es sirve como un puente para los hispanohablantes, facilitando el acceso a las enseñanzas del Corán en nuestro idioma.
Recursos Adicionales: Además de los audios, tenemos un canal de YouTube, Tafsir Corán Español, donde ampliamos los recursos disponibles.
Invitación a Explorar
Los invito cordialmente a visitar Tafsir.es y a sumergirse en la belleza y profundidad del Corán en español. Ya sea para crecimiento personal, estudio académico o fortalecimiento de la fe, espero que esta plataforma sea una fuente de luz y conocimiento para todos.
Por favor, siéntanse libres de explorar, comentar y compartir sus pensamientos y experiencias. Estoy aquí también para responder cualquier pregunta y para interactuar con todos ustedes.
Jazakum Allahu Khayran por su tiempo y apoyo.
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2023.11.15 15:57 nopeoplethanks Reading Exodus and Surah Qasas/Taha

We often get to hear that the Quran just copies Biblical stories and thus it is not an original work. I was reading the Book of Exodus and comparing it with the story of Musa (AS) in the Quran. Masha Allah! It only increased my love for the Quran. It only increased my faith that Quran is the Word of God. However, this doesn't mean that there is nothing to learn from the Bible. I could see very clearly why the Bible was meant for a particular time and why it is that the Quran is universal.
Sharing some oberservations below. Not all of them are my own, a lot of credit to goes to Dr Khaled Abou el Fadl's tafsir (Project Illumine).
  1. In the Exodus, when Musa (AS) kills the Egyptian man in a fit of rage, he hides the corpse and then flees later. As if it was okay since all Egyptians are oppresive (collective guilt theory endorsed). In contrast, the Quran spends a considerable time in showing how remorseful Musa (AS) was. He asks for Allah's forgiveness because he knew it was murder, even if the victim was from the other side. He even admits his guilt in front of the Pharaoh during their confrontation.
  2. When the Israelites leave for the Desert, they take gold and jewels from their Egyptian neighbors. The Bible endorses it as a rightful thing to do. But the Quran chastises the Israelites for it. Here again the Quran endorses the maxim: two wrongs don't make one right.
  3. The Biblical language is more tribal in nature. The narrative is Israelites vs Egyptians. Either or. But the Quran makes it clear that the Pharaoh is punsihed for his wrongdoings and it would be the fate of Israelites too if they become ingrates.
  4. Important oberservation by Dr Khaled Abou el Fadl in his tafsir of Surah Baqarah:
This surah is said to be the first Medinan surah. One of the many problems the Prophet (SAW) was dealing at the time was the rejection from the Jews. The Jews were adamant that the Prophet had to be one of them because they were the Chosen People. The Quran doesn't make the argument that Muhammad (SAW) is a descendant of Ishmael and thus qualifies for Prophetphood. Rather, the Quran rejects the idea of 'choseness based on race/descent' all together. The surah makes it clear that Allah created man for the purpose of acting as his vicegerent on earth. The more a person/community acts like it, the more it is a deserving claimant of being a chosen people. Interestingly, this is what the great Jewish scholar Maimonides took from Islamic sources and enriched his tradition with this reinvention of the idea of chosenness. Unfortunately, Muslims hardly took this idea seriously. We would worship our golden calves.
  1. Another major difference is that the Biblical narrative is more in the 'clash of clans' style. But the Quran's focus is on the state of a person's heart and it's consequences on one's action. This is one of the reasons why so many historical details are allegedly missing from the Quran. It is not for us to try to fill up those details with hadiths or our own preconceived notions. The Quran separates for us the wheat from the chaff.
I know I should have posted the relevant verses from both the Exodus and the Quran to prove my point. Just posting the first draft as of now. I will do the editing and citations later, In Shaa Allah.
The Quran is such a gift from Allah to us. May He make us of those who never abandon the Quran...
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2023.09.30 15:21 KeyWarm4167 Khaled Abou El Fadl wrote in his book that one of the leading members of Tabi'in Sa'id b. Jubayr didn’t consider free women uncovering their hair as prohibited. But is that information totally correct or did he miss something? [My question isn’t about Hijab, but about the statement made by KAEF]

Khaled Abou El Fadl wrote in his book that one of the leading members of Tabi'in Sa'id b. Jubayr didn’t consider free women uncovering their hair as prohibited. But is that information totally correct or did he miss something? [My question isn’t about Hijab, but about the statement made by KAEF]
Today someone asked a question about Sa'id b. Jubayr's remarks on the head covering of women. It was a good question which needed to be addressed but OP deleted it after a few people commented there (one of those comments were aggressive & I'm guessing that's what made the OP remove the post). But luckily I was able to take a screenshot of that post before it was deleted.
OP posted a photo of a Tafsir of verse 33:59, aka the Jilbab verse where it said Sa'id b. Jubayr believed women have to cover their heads. Here's the screenshot:
https://preview.redd.it/nayw71fmxfrb1.jpg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0db2738bd731556d86b32c90d2181f5f1c607596
Now, this topic of Sa'id b. Jubayr & hijab was discussed in this subreddit many times in the past. Khaled Abou El Fadl wrote in his book that Sa'id b. Jubayr did not think uncovering the hair was prohibited for women although he saw it as reprehensible, and he mentioned the source in his book. u/qavempace did his own research and found the information KAEF was talking about and shared it with us. Nobody would deny that he did a great job & put a lot of effort in it. u/Khaki_Banda also had discussions on this topic in other thread, which are remarkable. But...there was one problem that nobody noticed or brought up until now.
All those discussions that took place in this subreddit about Sa'id b Jubayr's remarks on the head covering was related to verse 24:31, aka the khimar verse. There is also verse 33:59 aka the Jilbab verse which is also brought up whenever there is a discourse about hijab or women's clothes. But for some reason nobody at that time seem to notice what Sa'id b. Jubayr’s opinion on this jilbab verse was. And years after those discussions someone asked that question.
Now my question is, did Khaled Abou El Fadl overlook this? Because here when talking about verse 33:59, Sa'id b. Jubayr said that Muslim women aren’t allowed to expose their hair in public. It's not just this tafsir, Tafsir Ibn Kathir also mentioned Sa'id b. Jubayr along with some other early Sahaba & Tabi'in.
https://preview.redd.it/3kz1btejxfrb1.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=978dc19721d75e5bee088a1fe84713b219904308
Did Khaled Abou El Fadl not notice it when writing about Sa'id b. Jubayr in his book? How could such a knowledgeable scholar like him not notice an important information like this? I find it very hard to believe. Or perhaps there is something wrong with this chain of narration that made him not consider this as an important information? What could be the reason?
My position on hijab is similar as most people here, I don’t believe covering the head is an act of obligation. And my question isn’t about the obligation of hijab either, it’s about what Khaled Abou El Fadl wrote about Sa'id b. Jubayr in his book.
If people like u/qavempace or u/Khaki_Banda was active today they probably would have been able to come up with an answer as they did a lot of research and knew Arabic, but sadly they aren’t here anymore. But I think the best answer can be given by Dr Khaled Abou El Fadl himself since he was the person to share the information in his book first which started all the discourse in this subreddit, but I don’t know how to reach out to him. When I watched his tafsir class I saw his wife read emails after the end of each Surah and the sheikh would answer the questions sent to him via mails. This means there is a way to reach to out him. Does anyone know how to do that, or can anyone send him an email and ask him about this? What is his email address where you can send a question?
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2023.07.02 09:50 No_Assistant8404 “I do NOT believe that I am committing a sin by NOT wearing the scarf” - Khaled Abou El Fadl's wife Grace Song gives a short but beautiful speech while addressing the hate messages she received for not wearing hijab

“I do NOT believe that I am committing a sin by NOT wearing the scarf” - Khaled Abou El Fadl's wife Grace Song gives a short but beautiful speech while addressing the hate messages she received for not wearing hijab
This was a short but beautiful speech she gave on day 4 of Dr Khaled Abou El Fadl's tafsir class on Surah At Tawbah. Really makes me appreciate this lady. Link to the original video: https://youtu.be/M8uiq5bRiWk
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2023.05.03 16:15 Adkhanreddit Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl First Direct-To-English Quran Commentary (Tafsir) In 40 Years

The Combo we needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P7ODDzrq_o
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2023.03.10 22:55 SamVoxeL Spread the reference to the Spanish community to know about the nature of Islam

Spread the reference to the Spanish community to know about the nature of Islam submitted by SamVoxeL to exmuslim [link] [comments]


2022.12.12 22:30 Banned12Ever Whoever rules by other than what Allah has revealed...

Article by Dr. Salah Abdulfattah al-Khalidi
There are a number of verses in Surat al-Maida that forbid referring judgement to other than Allah's shari'a and ruling by other than His shari'a. According to these verses, to judge other than Allah's shari'ah and to rule with other than His religion is kufr, zulm and fisq, and those who accept these laws and make laws accordingly are called disbelievers, oppressors and fasiqeen.
We will start (our article) by quoting the verses first, then we will mention how some people misunderstood these verses and how they distorted the meaning and concept, and as a result, we will convey the correct interpretation of the verse and support it with the opinions of the Companions, Tabi'in and previous scholars.
Our Lord says:
“Indeed, We revealed the Torah, containing guidance and light, by which the prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah, made judgments for Jews. So too did the rabbis and scholars judge according to Allah’s Book, with which they were entrusted and of which they were made keepers. So do not fear the people; fear Me! Nor trade my revelations for a fleeting gain. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the disbelievers.”
“We ordained for them in the Torah, “A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth—and for wounds equal retaliation.” But whoever waives it charitably, it will be atonement for them. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the wrongdoers.”
“Then in the footsteps of the prophets, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, confirming the Torah revealed before him. And We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light and confirming what was revealed in the Torah—a guide and a lesson to the God-fearing.”
“So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the rebellious.”
(O Muhammad!) We have sent down to you the Book (Qur'an) with truth, confirming the books before you, and guarding them. So judge between them by what Allah has sent down, and do not follow their desires by deviating from the truth that has come to you. We have set a law and a way for each of you. Had Allah willed, He would certainly have made you one nation. But He has divided you into nations to test you in what He has given you. If so, compete in good deeds. Your return is to Allah. Then He will let you know what you have been in dispute about.
Judge between them by what Allah has revealed. Do not follow their desires and beware that they mislead you with some of what Allah has revealed to you. If they turn away, know that Allah wants to afflict them with some calamity because of some of their sins. Many of the people have certainly gone astray.
Do they still want the judgment of the age of ignorance? But whose judgment is better than Allah's for a people who firmly believe? (Al-Maidah/44-50)
In order to be able to experience the atmosphere, to know the context in which the phrase is mentioned and we will talk about, these three qualities; that is, we have quoted all of the verses in which the attribute "disbeliever, zalimun and fasiqun" is mentioned. Because we believe that it is necessary to know the general context in which the phrase is mentioned and to evaluate the ratio within the framework of other texts. For this reason, whoever neglects this will not be able to put forward a correct understanding.
Some contemporary Islamists pondered both on these verses and on the verses' descriptions of those who do not judge and do not judge the shari'ah of Allah, and those who make laws and laws that do not rule by what Allah has revealed, and which are not permitted by Allah, and import these laws from disbelievers. They claimed that "These verses do not mention today's rulers, and the descriptions mentioned in the verses do not fit them."
Their claim is as follows: "These verses and the adjectives mentioned in these verses only refer to some tribes and members of religions before Islam. These verses refer to Jews and Christians!”
Their evidence at this point is; The words in the verse are talking about Jews and Christians.
In the first verse, "Surely, we have sent down the Torah. There is guidance and light in it. The prophets who surrendered (to Allah) used to judge the Jews with him. Those who devoted themselves to the Lord and scholars also judged accordingly. Because they were assigned to protect the book of Allah. Here, the verse is about the Torah and ruling with it. The Torah has come for the Jews. Allah (SWT) demanded that those who devote themselves to the Lord and scholars should judge according to what He had revealed. If they don't, then they are the disbelievers. For this reason, the verse ends with the description "Whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the disbelievers".
Second verse at hand; This verse mentions some rulings in the Torah about qisas and ends with a general description of scholars who do not rule with it, saying, "Whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, they are the wrongdoers".
As for the last verse, which describes those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed as "fasiq", this verse no doubt refers to Christians and asks them to rule with the Bible. They are the fasiqeen themselves," according to the verse.
These three qualities mentioned in the verses; that is, the qualification "disbeliever, zalim and fasiq", according to them, is directed only to Jews and Christians and only covers them. Why do contemporary Muslims generalise this ruling? And why do they attribute this to modern rulers who do not rule by what Allah has revealed?
These people, who hold some official duties alongside the rulers who do not rule by what Allah has revealed, are attempting to misrepresent other Muslims who take the general meaning of the verse.
Some of them also assign the word "disbeliever" in the verse to Jews who do not rule only with the Torah, and the word "zalim" to Christians who do not rule only with the Bible, by sharing the attribute of "kafirun, zalimun and fasiqun" in the verse among people who belong to all three religions. As for Muslims who do not judge by what Allah has revealed; According to them, they are just "Fasiq"!
It is clear that making such a division for the aforementioned words is not based on any evidence. The basis of this is the feeling of acting according to whims and desires.
There are some who approach these verses from a different perspective and examine the aforementioned attributes from another angle. According to them, these verses also include today's rulers who attribute themselves to Islam; but with some special conditions…
When we see a ruler who attributes himself to Islam but does not rule by Allah's laws, we cannot immediately judge him as kafir, zalim or fasiq. On the contrary, we need to ask him why he abandoned judging according to Allah's shari'ah and why he ruled with anything other than what Allah sent down! Likewise, we need to ask him how he views Allah's laws and non-Islamic laws!
If such a person believes in the validity of non-Islamic laws, and puts his laws above Allah's laws, and he judges by other than Allah's laws, then we can judge that he is a disbeliever, an oppressor, and a fasiq. Of course, this only applies when the law he has decreed conflicts with Allah's law!
However, if such a person believes that Allah's laws are superior but judges with other laws, then he will not be a disbeliever!
They say, if such a ruler were to inform us that he was afraid of enforcing Allah's decrees, that he was afraid of the attacks of the enemies and that they would remove him from his seat, that he was engaging in politics against them, that he was trying to stall them, that he believed that he cancelled the shari'ah of Allah and that he ruled by their laws even though he was not pleased with them. If he were to say all these, this ruler would not be a disbeliever because of what he did!
We believe that it is nothing but distorting the meaning of the verses, deviating the meanings of the aforementioned attributes, changing the muhkam concepts of the Qur'an and replacing them with some meanings that Allah did not allow. And we still believe that the only factor that led these distortions is; their desires and interests. It is their inclination towards the rulers who declared war on the shariah of Allah. It is their strive to gain their satisfaction. It is the desire to snatch their duties, places and possessions.
There is no doubt that these are traders who make their religion a means of commerce. They cast aside the covenant of Allah; They are people who gave up honesty, bravery and frankness and preferred lies, hypocrisy and deception. With this false idea, they did not aim to please Allah, to help His religion, to shout the truth, and to respect ilm. On the contrary, their aim is to attain a pleasing glance from the rulers, words of praise, and worldly things to brag about.
The words of these official muftis, who make their religion a means of commerce, are not only false and misguided, but also very simple minded and foolish.
Will they ever ask the rulers why they do not rule by the decree of Allah and prefer the laws of the disbelievers (to the laws of Allah)? Will they dare to ask that to the rulers? Which one of them will dare to do so? Which one from those who have sold their religion? Do they have the slightest bit of courage to pose this question to them? If they can muster it and asked the question, will the rulers bother to answer their question?
After all, even assuming they've answered that question, how can we expect them to be frank with us? Which ruler came out and said to his people, "I do not rule by Allah's laws not because I do not believe in Him, I do not rule by Allah's laws but I believe in Him”?
I wonder which ruler would accept to be brought to account or to open a door that cannot be closed against him? Who among them would want to come face to face with Muslims and face them?
There is no doubt that such a thing would be done by foolish and naive people who do not work their brain cells!
Someone who asks a question to his ruler and then expects him to answer it and answer his question honestly, he is the naive and foolish.
“My brother! Without exception, all rulers, when confronted with Muslim people and their demands to apply Allah's shari'ah, certainly believed in Allah's shari'ah, but they were under the intense pressure of the superpowers and could not apply Allah's decrees because the time was not favourable and the conditions did not allow it” they will say.
Why would we ask the rulers about their point of view and attitude towards the laws of Allah? And why would we expect a clear answer from them and strive to hear their words and opinions?
Suppose they declared that they accept Allah's shari'ah and affirmed it, would it be accepted from them -as long as they did not apply Allah’s laws, but instead fought them and replaced them with laws obtained from the kuffar who were the enemies of Allah-- Will it be considered sufficient?
Undoubtedly, this points to the naivety and stupidity of those who wait for answers from the rulers—in order to testify for or against them.
I wonder what comes first in Islam; Is it actions or words?[1]
What is the measure in Islam; word or deed?
Which one should be taken into consideration and preferred when words conflict with deeds? Word or deed?
Mere words mean almost nothing in the eyes of Islam. In order for this to mean anything, it must be supported by its owner’s deeds, behaviour and commitment. That is to say, this person's life must agree with and confirm what he has said, believed and put forward. If his life, behaviour, dispositions and practices contradict his words, that person is subject to condemnation and punishment. Our Lord says:
“O you who believe! Why do you say things you didn't do? Saying what you did not do causes great hatred in the sight of Allah!”
Undoubtedly, behaviours of a person is more credible than the tongue in Islam. The most appropriate thing to be trusted in Islam is the behaviour that confirms the tongue. Words that support or disapprove of behaviour are not entertained. Even in faith, it is inevitable to have good deeds that confirm words and creed.
May Allah have mercy on Hasan-i Basri, how well he said it: “Faith is not something that can be achieved by wishing and embellishing; On the contrary, faith is the faith in the heart in which actions affirm itself.”
When words and deeds conflict, it is "deed" that will be taken into account; because the indication of deeds is stronger than the indication of words. What is the difference between those who speak and act by saying "We heard and obey" and those who say "We heard and we disobeyed" and do not act?
The Companions considered them by listening to the orders given to them, by acting and by doing what is necessary.
“They said: “We hear and we obey. Our Lord! We ask your forgiveness. In the end, the return is only to you.”
The Jews, on the other hand, received the orders directed against them, but opposed them. Even though the Prophet Moses commanded them to say "We heard and obeyed", they said "We heard and obeyed" with their tongues, but they rebelled and opposed the orders in the field of practice and application. For this reason, their direction of action that is in opposition to (Allah's order) is preferred to their words. Our Lord says:
“And (remember) when We took your covenant and We raised above you the Mount (saying), “Hold firmly to what We have given you and hear (Our Word).” They said, “We have heard and disobeyed.” And their hearts absorbed (the worship of) the calf because of their disbelief.”
Now, if the rulers came out and said thousands of times that they "believe in Allah's laws and love Allah's law", and then contrary to what they said, they threw aside Allah's laws and try to rule with things that He does not allow, their words will have no value. How can they? Of course, this is of no use or effect. Because the thing to be taken into account and rely on; what they do and show.
Of course, this only applies when they say it explicitly (what we just assumed).
What will happen then when they do not openly declare that they have accepted and adopted the shari'a of Allah? How are we going to get them to declare what they haven't explained and get them to say what they haven't said? I wonder how we’ll be able to say "They believe in Allah's law and accept that it is the highest; but they are incapable of abiding by that sharia?”
The naivety of those who say this reminds us of the following exemplary incident between the hunter and the sparrow:
It is said that a hunter catches three or five sparrows on a cold day. Then he puts those sparrows in front of him and starts cutting them one by one. Birds whose turn has not yet come are watching. With the effect of freezing cold and strong wind, tears come from the eyes of the hunter who cuts. Two of the birds look at a hunter and his tears flowing. One said to the other: “Look at that poor hunter... How sorry he feels for killing us. How is he crying because of his compassion and mercy for us”. Hearing this, the other sparrow wisely and cleverly says: “Don’t look at his tears, look at what his hands are doing!”
Our advice to today's Muslims regarding their relations with the rulers who discarded Allah's shari'ah and replaced them with the laws of the kuffar is this: Do not be deceived by their outward appearances, words and statements! On the contrary, look at what they do, their behaviour and their application of their own laws. Or our advice to them is the word of the clever sparrow: “Don’t look at his tears, look at what his hands are doing!”
The verses that form the basis of our subject talk about the rulers. Wherever they are, wherever they are...
The verses warn them and those of them who commit this crime from abandoning judging by what Allah has revealed. The verses characterise such people with kufr, oppression and fisq.
Of course, the characterisations of "disbeliever, oppressor and fasiq" are not unique to Jewish and Christian rulers. On the contrary, it covers everyone who does not judge by what Allah has revealed.
Dozens of opinions confirming and reinforcing this truth have been conveyed from both the Salaf and successor scholars. These views interpret the verse correctly and give it a correct meaning.
Ibrahim an-Nahai, one of the valuable scholars of nature, said the following about this verse: "These verses were revealed about the Children of Israel. Allah Almighty has deemed them (the rulings in it) suitable for this ummah as well.”
Hasan-i Basri said: "These verses were revealed about the Jews and were made obligatory for us."
Imam Sha'bi said the following about three qualities in the verses as "Disbelievers, opressors and fasiqun": "The first of these qualities is valid for this ummah. The second is about the Jews. The third is for Christians.”
When these verses were recited to Hudhayfah b. Yeman, a person present said: "This rule applies to the Children of Israel." Hearing this, Hudhayfah (RA) said: “What a good brother the Israelites are to you! All good (hukm) to you, all bad (hukm) to them! No, I swear by Allah that you will follow their path like a shoelace.”
Ibn Abbas (ra) said: “What a good group you are! Good and beautiful (rulings) to you, bad and difficult (rulings) to the People of the Book!
Hakîm b Jubair narrates: I asked Said b. Jubayr a question and said, "Some of them claim that these verses were revealed about the Israelites and are not valid for us. (What do you think?)” I said. Said b. Jubayr said: "Read the before and after." I just read it. Thereupon, he said: "No, on the contrary, those verses also apply to us."[2]
Alkame and Marwan asked Abdullah Ibn Masud about bribery. Abdullah Ibn Masud said: "This is Haram". They: “Is it in judgment?” they said. Abdullah Ibn Masud said: "No, it is kufr." And then he read this verse: “Whoever rules by other than what Allah has revealed such are the disbelievers.”
It is narrated from Suddi, one of the well-known scholars of the Tabi'un: "Whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed." That is, whoever does not judge by what I have revealed, leaves it intentionally and deliberately commits oppression, then he is one of the disbelievers.
Imam Tabari says the following in the interpretation of these verses:
“Allah has included those who reject the laws He has revealed in His book, and informed them that they are disbelievers because they abandoned the laws. The judgment of those who reject and do not judge according to what Allah has revealed is also the same. He has disbelieved against Allah.”
Ibn Kathir talks about the law called "Yesak", which Genghis Khan enacted for his people, and the laws of the Tatars:
“Whoever among them does this (that is, leaves the laws of Islam and enacts other laws) becomes a disbeliever. It is fard (for the Ummah) to fight him until he returns to the decree of Allah and His Messenger. Whether it is a small or an important matter, no one can be made an arbitrator other than the judgement of Allah and His Messenger!”
The Commentary of the work "El-Akîdetü't-Tahâvîyye" (İbn-u Ebi'l-İzz) states the following:
“Not ruling by what Allah has revealed is sometimes a blasphemy that makes one apostate, and sometimes it is a major or minor sin. This blasphemy was either uttered metaphorically. Or it's a minor blasphemy—which has been mentioned in previous chapters where there are two different opinions on this point—It depends on the judge's situation. If a judge believes that it is not necessary to judge by what Allah has revealed, or that he has a choice in this matter, or if he belittles him even though he knows that it is Allah's decision, then it will be a great disbelief.”
Reşit Rıza says in his tafsir “Menar”:
“Some have adopted the view that kufr is dependent on a condition known from general rules. This condition is as follows: Whoever does not judge according to what Allah has revealed, by denying it and accepting that it is oppression, even though he knows that it is Allah's judgment, they are the disbelievers! This condition neither coincides with faith nor with comprehension!
I swear, the stronger the doubt about the law-making rulers, the harder it is to answer about them. There is no doubt that a believer who is submissive to the religion of Allah (belief) who believes it is obligatory for him to rule by the laws of the Book to then turn away and change it with his own choice and changes it with another decree of his own will. It is really hard to imagine him claiming to be a believer and a Muslim together.”[3]
Sheikh Ahmed Muhammad Shakir says:
“The judgment to be given about these man-made laws is as clear as the brightness of the sun. Undoubtedly, these laws are an open disbelief with no obscurity in them. There is never an excuse for anyone who attributes himself to Islam in this regard – no matter who this person is – to be acting by these laws and obeying them. Everyone must restrain himself; for everyone is his own keeper.”
Sheikh's brother, Mahmud Muhammad Shakir, also says the following about contemporary rulers who do not rule with what Allah has revealed:
“This matter means turning away from Allah's decree, abandoning His religion, and preferring the rules of disbelief to Allah's laws. And this is disbelief, even though they differ about the takfir of the person who invites to it, no one from the Ahl-i Qibla doubts their kufr.”
Hasan al-Hudaybi says:
“As for a person who judges by other than Allah’s decree by giving it legitimacy, despite being against Allah's order; This person has considered it permissible to oppose Allah and His Messenger, denied the text that was revealed for him, and fell into disbelief and shirk by ijmaa’.”[4]
We conclude these narrations with the following sentences of the shaheed Sayyid Qutb:
“This is a very precise and unequivocal statement. Both the use of "men" as a conditional preposition in the original of the verse and the answer sentence indicate that this provision can cover everyone. As there is no ambiguity in the verse, this provision also transcends the limits of time and space. This is a general rule that covers everyone who does not judge according to the verses revealed by Allah, regardless of generation or nation.
We have explained the reason for this before. For, one who does not rule according to the verses revealed by Allah, means rejecting the divinity of Allah. However, divinity necessarily includes sovereignty and legislation. A person who does not judge according to the verses of Allah, on the one hand, rejects the divinity of Allah and the attributes of His divinity, and on the other hand, attempts to appropriate the right of divinity and the attributes of divinity. Really, if that's not kufr, what is? If practice - which is much more important than theory - just stinks of kufr, what's the point of pretending with the tongue that you are a believer or a Muslim?
Demagoguery about this very certain provision is nothing but trying to escape the truth. Trying to interpret such a decree can be nothing but distorting the verse. Demagogueries or interpretations made in this context cannot in any way change the judgement of Allah regarding the people who are addressed by the verse in question.”[5]
Sayyid Qutb also states the following about the verse: "Whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, they are the wrongdoers":
“This is a general statement. There is no basis on which we can reduce this to private. Here, however, a new attribute is added, "the oppressors".
This new quality does not mean that there is a situation different from the previous one in the form of "disbelievers". This is merely the addition of a new quality to a person who does not judge according to the verses revealed by Allah. A person who does not judge according to the verses revealed by Allah is an disbeliever because he denies the divinity of Allah and that the legislative authority over His servants is unique to Him, and attempts to claim divinity by appropriating the authority to legislate over people. Again, he is an oppressor because he forces people to break from the law of Allah, which is most suitable for them, and to follow another law. In fact, such a person has embarked on a dangerous endeavour, deserving the punishment of kufr and exposing the lives of the people whom he lives among to chaos and defeat, he is also oppressing himself.
The point of reference and the conditional sentence "those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed" require us to understand the verse as such. The answer of the second conditional sentence is added to the answer of the first conditional sentence. In both, the conditional preposition "men (who is...)", which expresses absoluteness and generality, is used and reference is made to the same point.”[6]
He also says about the third verse:
“A general and precise expression is used in the nass here. Here, however, a new one is added to the previous qualities in the form of "disbelievers" and "oppressors". This does not mean that there is a different community or a different situation than those mentioned in the previous verses. The situation is still the same. The event consists of adding a new quality in addition to the previous two qualities to a person who does not judge according to the verses revealed by Allah, regardless of nationality or generation.
Kufr is by rejecting Allah's law and denying His divinity. Oppression is committed by forcing people to abide by a system other than the sharia of Allah, and by causing turmoil and defeat in their lives. Fasiq means leaving Allah's system and being subject to another system. The first act includes all three of these qualities, and the person who commits the act fully deserves all three without any distinction between them.”[7]
Sayyid Qutb states another definite ruling stemming from his great understanding of the verses above:
“Those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are the disbelievers, the oppressors, and fasiqeen. Those who do not accept the decree of Allah among the governed are also not believers.”[8]
In order to understand the verses that form the basis of our subject correctly, we need to add some verses about hukm, tashri and that the law should be taken from Allah's sharia.
Our Lord says:
“The judgment belongs only to Allah. He has commanded you not to worship anyone but Him. This is the truest religion. But most people don't know." (Yusuf/40)
“Should I seek another arbitrator from Allah when He has sent down the Book to you with all the details laid out?” (Al-An’am/114)
"No! By your Lord, they will not believe until they make you their judge in the disputes between them, and then submit to your decision with full submission without feeling any discomfort in their hearts.” (Nisa/65)
“The only response of the ˹true˺ believers, when they are called to Allah and His Messenger so he may judge between them, is to say, “We hear and obey.” It is they who will ˹truly˺ succeed.” (Nu51)
“It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path..” (Ahzhab/36)
[1] Behaviors or words?
[2] For all these transmissions, see: "ed-Dürrü'l-Mansûr", 3/87, 88. These transmissions are summarised.
[3] Tafsîru'l-Manar, 6/407.
[4] For all these narrations, you can refer to our work called "Fi Zilâli'l-Kur'an fi'l-Mîzân". See p. 218−220.
[5] Fi Zilal, 2/898.
[6] Fi Zilal, 2/900.
[7] Fi Zilal, 2/901.
[8] Fi Zilal, 2/905. Those who want to learn about the detailed discussion of this issue can refer to our work called "Fi Zilâli'l-Kur'an fi'l-Mîzân". See p. 205−232.
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2022.08.15 12:23 throwaway-5367472 Some people of this sub quote Sa'id ibn Jubayr to prove that there isn't any ijma on the obligation of hijab, as he didn't believe covering the hair was mandatory for free women. This is a weak argument, and this doesn't disprove the unanimous consensus on the obligation of hijab. Let me explain

Some people of this sub quote Sa'id ibn Jubayr to prove that there isn't any ijma on the obligation of hijab, as he didn't believe covering the hair was mandatory for free women. This is a weak argument, and this doesn't disprove the unanimous consensus on the obligation of hijab. Let me explain

[Before starting, I want to request everyone to please keep the discussion confined only within the awrah of free women & do not bring up the topic of Slave women's awrah. I'll write another post in the future where I'll discuss about it, but now let's keep our discusion confined within free women's awrah & Sa'id Ibn Jubayr's remarks on it]

Sa'id ibn jubayr is quoted by many users here when someone brings up the argument of unanimous consensus of the scholars on the obligation of hijab (for free women) in this sub. It's mainly because what Khaled Abou El Fadl wrote this in his book:
The majority argued that women must cover their full body except for the face and hands. Some jurists held that women may expose their feet and their arms up to the elbow. Importantly, someone such as Sa‘īd b. Jubayr asserted that revealing the hair is reprehensible, but also stated that the Qur’ānic verses did not explicitly say anything about women’s hair.
I was skeptic about this, as Sa'id ibn Jubayr was regarded as one of the leading members of the Tabi'in and was considered one of the leading jurists of the time. So I didn't believe that he could have made such a mistake, I thought maybe Khaled Abou El Fadl misunderstood something, until I found this post.
This post gives reference of Ahkam al Quran written by Abu Bakar Al Jassas, & there it was mentioned what Sa'id ibn Jubayr actually said. The book is in Arabic and I don't understand Arabic, and Google translator does not translate this very well. However, the OP of that post has translated some parts of the article himself, and I also cross-checked the somewhat meh translation of Google translator, it seems like OP's translation is actually correct. So here's OP's translation:
It was narrated on the authority of Saeed bin Jubayr (d. 95AH) that he was asked about a man looking at stranger women's hair, and he disliked it and (but) said: Not in the verse.
Abu Bakr (the author al Jassas d. 370AH) said: Though it is not in the verse, it is in the meaning of what was mentioned in it from the way it was mentioned, and this is what was mentioned about the prohibition of looking at this verse except what is specified (Khas) from it. But it is not applicable to female slaves (...), and this is because female slaves to strangers are in the same status of female slaves to women.
(Google Translator translated it like this: "It was narrated on the authority of Saeed bin Jubayr that he was asked about a man looking at foreign hair, and he disliked it and said: Not in the verse. Abu Bakr said: If it is not in the verse, then it is in the meaning of what was mentioned in it from the way that we mentioned, and this is what was mentioned about the prohibition of looking at this verse except what is specified from it, but it is limited to women without slaves, and that is because slaves to other foreigners are in the status of free women to those with slaves" OP's translation is quite correct I admit)
So as it turns out, Unfortunately, very unfortunately Sa'id ibn Jubayr actually did not believe that covering the hair was mandatory for free women. He disliked the uncovering of hair, but at the same time he believed that the Quran didn't order women to cover their. I thought only a few modern 21st century American & European Muslims and few modern day imams like Shabir Ally & Khaled Abou El Fadl interpreted verse 24:31 like this (that it only tells women to cover their Juyub and not head/hair), but as unfortunate as it seems, a leading member of the Tabi'in from the 7th century also seems to have interpreted the verse like this. It's so SO unfortunate, and I really, Really wish this wasn't the case. But what has happened, Has Happened, I can't change the past.

However, this doesn't prove that hijab isn't mandatory. Let me explain:

  • (1) First of All, this was the only his own view, there hasn't been any record of any other scholar ever saying this in the history of Islam, Ever. When you have hundreds and thousands of people saying the same thing and only person disagreeing with all of them & saying something different, whom are you going to trust? Of course you are going to trust the majority, because the majority is always right and on the correct path. Yasir Qadhi mentioned 2 hadiths in this video, one is from Sunan Ibn Majah that says "My nation will not unite on misguidance, so if you see them differing, follow the great majority"; another hadith says "Allah's Hand is with the Jama'ah" which is from Jami` at-Tirmidhi. As all four madhabs have agreed on the obligation of hair covering for free women as well as the vast majority of the scholars, therefore we can say that the views of Sa'id ibn Jubayr regarding free women's hair is completely wrong.
  • (2) Abu Bakar al Jassas immediately refuted Sa'id ibn Jubayr just after mentioning his opinion in his book. As you can see from the translation, he wrote this - "Abu Bakr (the author al Jassas d. 370AH) said: Though it is not in the verse, it is in the meaning of what was mentioned in it from the way it was mentioned, and this is what was mentioned about the prohibition of looking at this verse except what is specified (Khas) from it. But it is not applicable to female slaves..." Now people never refute a opinion if it's correct, people only refute a opinion if it's wrong. As Abu Bakar Al Jassas refuted Sa'id ibn Jubayr's opinion in his book, this proves that ibn jubayr was clerly wrong, doesn't it? Because why would he refute ibn Jubayr's opinion if it was the correct opinion?
  • (3) Ijma doesn't mean everyone has to agree on something. When the vast majority of the scholars agree upon something, an ijma or consensus is established. In this case, only Sa'id ibn jubayr had this opinion that free woman's hair is not included in her awrah, while all other scholars believed that haihead is included in awrah. Therefore, there is an ijma on the obligation on hijab, and Sa'id ibn Jubayr's fringe opinion does not matter at all.

But Even if Sa'id Ibn Jubay's opinion was valid, that still contradicts how you guys here define awrah

  • (1) Sa'id Ibn Jubayr disliked the idea of free women uncovering their hair, meaning it would be Makruh for women to do so, not Mubah. This is what Wikipedia says about makruh: "In Islamic terminology, something which is makruh (Arabic: مكروه, transliterated: makrooh or makrūh) is a disliked or offensive act (literally "detestable" or "abominable"....Though a makruh act is not haram (forbidden) or subject to punishment, a person who abstains from this act will be rewarded.[1] Muslims are encouraged to avoid such actions when or as possible. It is one of the degrees of approval (ahkam) in Islamic law". So, even if you decide to follow his opinion as a woman, uncovering your hair would still be considered as a heavily dislikable act, & abstaining from uncovering hair would be rewardable.
  • (2) People here believe that a woman is allowed to uncover her haihead, neck, and area below the neck as well, right? Well, not according to Sa'id ibn Jubayr, because according to him women have to cover their necks as well. Here's what he said about drawing the khimar over the juyub according to Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
  • >Sa'id bin Jubayr said: (and to draw) means to pull it around and tie it securely. (their veils all over their Juyub) means, over their necks and chests so that nothing can be seen of them.
  • He said that necks and chests should be covered tightly so that nothing can be seen of them. That means if you want to follow his opinion and not wear hijab, you will still be restricted to dress up like this :
https://preview.redd.it/orp3s2fxruh91.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ea1b70ecfdf41faf9a760005bf5870d11097bd7

https://preview.redd.it/hb1heu06suh91.jpg?width=1986&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f43b4afb89dfff8cab92253c0eecfa8a9bba74e
Yeah, that's all I wanted to say. Just because one Tabi'in had a different opinion regarding hijab doesn't mean that opinion was correct, & I explained to you why. Then I showed even if, Even If his opinion was correct and women wanted to follow it they would still be restricted into wearing only turtlenecks as he believed that women should not expose their necks. If you disagree with me (which I'm certain that most people here will disagree with me), let me know your reasons in the comments & I'll respond.
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2022.07.21 04:46 International_Can820 Proving Islam without miracles or prophecies

#1 Did he do this to become rich or praised?

Narrated Ibn `Abbas:

-Source: **Sahih al-Bukhari 4770**
Grade: **Sahih (authentic) according to the conditions of Bukhari and Muslim**

Narrated `Umar:

-Source: **Sahih al-Bukhari 3445**
Grade: **Sahih (authentic) according to the conditions of Bukhari and Muslim**

'Abdullah narrated :

-Source: **Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2377**
Grade: **Hassan (Good or Fair) (Darussalam)**

#2 Did he do this to be rich?

Narrated 'Amir bin Al-Harith:

-Source: **Sahih al-Bukhari 4461**
Grade: **Sahih (authentic) according to the conditions of Bukhari and Muslim**

Narrated Amr ibn Abasah:

-Source: **Sunan Abi Dawud 2755**
Grade: **Sahih (authentic) according to (Al-Albani)**
-Source: **Sahih Muslim 2974**
Grade: **Sahih (authentic) according to the conditions of Bukhari and Muslim**

#3 Did he do it to marry the most 'beautiful' wives?

Translation: “surprisingly all of them (I.e prophets wives) were old and non virgins except for aisha who was a virgin very surprising he didn’t marry the most beautiful girls on the contrary of Solomon”

Source: **The history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire (Edward Gibbon) volume 3 page number 84**
Now lets see how they felt
-Source: **Sunan Abi Dawud 2135**
Grade: **Sahih (authentic) (Darussalam)**

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OBJECTION 5 – HALLUCINATIONS AND DELUSION

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Objection number 6 prophet of war

The prophet (pbuh) didn’t kill anyone out of no reason out of facts they abused him for 13 years and he then went to Mecca but they went after him ; people hearing war will think barbaric in fact jesus according to the gospels in his 2nd coming he will fight with the sword in revelations 17:14 and after the interpretation of antonious fekri for this verse link: Source

objection number #7 from satan

Objection #8 Quran

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2022.07.21 04:35 International_Can820 Proving Islam without prophecies or miracles

If you think about it logically the first sahaba had great belief in the prophethood of the prophet Muhammad didn’t see miracles or prophecies
The question then becomes how can they believe in Islam then?
Today I am gonna prove to you that the second stupidest notion after disbelieving in God is disbelieving in the prophethood of prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
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It is from the stupidity to think that someone would call people for the worship of one God while being a false prophet for nothing
Let's see what were the reasons that prophet Muhammad could have claimed prophethood

#1 Did he do this to become rich or praised?

Narrated Ibn `Abbas:

  1. When the Verse:--' And warn your tribe of near-kindred, was revealed, the Prophet (ﷺ) ascended the Safa (mountain) and started calling, "O Bani Fihr! O Bani `Adi!" addressing various tribes of Quraish till they were assembled. Those who could not come themselves, sent their messengers to see what was there. Abu Lahab and other people from Quraish came and the Prophet (ﷺ) then said, "Suppose I told you that there is an (enemy) cavalry in the valley intending to attack you, would you believe me?" They said, "Yes, for we have not found you telling anything other than the truth." He then said, "I am a warner to you in face of a terrific punishment." Abu Lahab said (to the Prophet) "__**May your hands perish all this day. Is it for this purpose you have gathered us?"**__Then it was revealed: "Perish the hands of Abu Lahab (one of the Prophet's uncles), and perish he! His wealth and his children will not profit him...." (111.1-5)

Narrated `Umar:

#2 did he do this to be rich

Narrated 'Amir bin Al-Harith:

  1. -Source: **Sahih al-Bukhari 4461**
  2. Grade: **Sahih (authentic) according to the conditions of Bukhari and Muslim**
  3. Narrated Amr ibn Abasah:
  4. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) led us in prayer facing a camel that had been taken in the booty, and when he had given the salutation, he took a hair from the camel's side and said: “I have no right as much as this of your booty, but only to the fifth. and the fifth is returned to you.”
  5. -Source: **Sunan Abi Dawud 2755**
  6. Grade: **Sahih (authentic) according to (Al-Albani)**
  7. 'Urwa b. Zubair reported on the authority of 'A'isha, the wife of Allah's Apostle (ﷺ), that she said:
  8. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) died (in a state) that it never happened that he could eat to his fill the bread with olive oil twice during a day.
  9. -Source: **Sahih Muslim 2974**
  10. Grade: **Sahih (authentic) according to the conditions of Bukhari and Muslim**
  11. **#3 he did to marry the most beautiful wives**
  12. Prophet Muhammad's wives were mostly nonvirgins all of them actually except Aisha (AS)
  13. Edward Jibon a nonmuslim historian responds to this
  14. Translation: “surprisingly all of them (I.e prophets wives) were old and nonvirgins except for Aisha who was a virgin very surprising he didn’t marry the most beautiful girls on the contrary of Solomon”
  15. Source: **The history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire (Edward Gibbon) volume 3 page number 84**
  16. Now let's see how they felt
  17. Narrated Hisham b. 'Urwah:
  18. On the authority of his father that 'Aishah said: O my nephew, __**the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) did not prefer one of us to the other in respect of his division of the time of his staying with us. It was very rare that he did not visit us any day (i.e. he visited all of us every day). He would come near each of his wives without having intercourse with her until he reached the one who had her day and passed his night with her.**__
  19. -Source: **Sunan Abi Dawud 2135**
  20. Grade: **Sahih (authentic) (Darussalam)**
  21. An interesting objection levied by some people is that Muhammad ﷺ was a liar. He lied about his claim of being a prophet. Why would one lie? They would lie for material gains such as money, power, and women. So, one has to question if this is what Muhammad ﷺ was after. Well let’s see, shall we?
  22. In “The Sealed Nectar” pages 103 and 104 we read. The Quraysh made Muhammad ﷺ many offers. If you read “The Sealed Nectar” pages 103 to 104. Where Utbah approached Muhammad ﷺ and offered him riches “Oh nephew if you are doing all this with a view to getting wealth, we will join together to give you greater riches than any Qurayshite has possessed. If ambition moves you, we will make you our chief. If you desire kingship, we will readily offer you that. “Muhammad ﷺ then replied reciting from the Quran chapter 41 verse 1-5. He then told Utbah “You have heard my reply. You are now free to do whatever you please. [4]
  23. There you go. He was offered riches, to be the richest Qurayshite in fact and he rejected. He was offered power and he rejected it. It needs to be noted that this was very early on in his prophetic career as well. If he was a liar, he would have eaten this offer up. But he rejected.
  24. What else could people say he could have done it for? Women? Ok, I will address that as well. He married more than four wives in his lifetime. The only virgin he married was Aisha RA. Everyone else was not. Some were older than him like Khadijah and Sawda and others were younger. Critics refer to the report in Tabari. Now this is not authentic due to Al-Kalbi being in the chain of narration and he was known to be a liar, but let’s assume it is authentic.
  25. [Picture to look at](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880480336939728997/999485922833879120/image1.png)
  26. [Picture](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880480336939728997/999485952160452628/image0.png)
  27. They say this report calls him a “womanizer”. [6] The issue is if you read Arabic, the word used is not a womanizer and the footnote you see above says that Muhammad ﷺ has “wives”. Moreover, this report refutes the claim of the people who say he was in it for women. Why? Because if you read the report a woman called Layla offered herself in marriage to him, the prophet responded yes. When Layla went back to her people and told them they said that you are a jealous woman and that you will be jealous because Muhammad ﷺ had other wives. So, she went back and asked to cancel the marriage and the Prophet said “YES!” why would he reject if he was in it for the woman as people try and say it does not make any sense.
  28. Moreover, there is a reason why he married different women, why? To consolidate relationships with others. He did not marry more women out of his physical desires for he had only one wife even till the age of 54. Till 50 he had only one wife Sayyidah Khadija who was 15 years elder to him and was twice widowed before. And for the next 4 years, his only wife was Sayyidah Sawda, also an aged lady. All, but one, of his wives were either widows or divorced. It was only at the age of 55 that four wives gathered in his marriage.
  29. John Bagot Glubb states this fact in the following words;
  30. “It is, however, worthy to note that of all his wives, only Aisha was a virgin when he married her. Zainab bint Jahash was a divorced wife and all the rest were widows, some of them, IT WOULD SEEM, NOT PARTICULARLY ATTRACTIVE. Moreover, the Apostle had married Khadija when he was twenty-five and SHE WAS A WIDOW CONSIDERABLY OLDER THAN HE WAS. He had remained completely faithful to her for twenty-four years until her death.” [7]
  31. Further he says;
  32. “In Medina, Muhammad had less and less leisure time and must often have been mentally and physically exhausted, especially as he was in his fifties and latterly over sixty. THESE ARE NOT THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH MEN ARE INTERESTED IN THE INDULGENCE OF EXTREME SEXUALITY. The assumption that he was a SENSUALIST BECAUSE HE HAD ELEVEN WIVES WHEN HE DIED AT THE AGE OF SIXTY-TWO IS THEREFORE NOT ABSOLUTELY A FOREGONE CONCLUSION, AS MANY HAVE ASSUMED. This is particularly so in view of the fact that he had only one wife until he was fifty.” [8]
  33. If you want more information on this refer to the footnotes. [9]

OBJECTION 5 – HALLUCINATIONS AND DELUSION

  1. Another objection I have heard is that Muhammad ﷺ was a truthful person he genuinely believed in his message and he genuinely believed he was prophet however he was deceived by his own delusion. Now an objection to this would be if he did hallucinate and thus suffered from delusion then surely the revelation of the Quran would contain evidence of this. In other words, the Quran would be full of errors such as grammatical errors and it also would not contain such wisdom and knowledge that an illiterate man in the 7th century living in a pagan environment simply could not have known. I believe that is in itself is a sufficient refutation to this objection. However, some may say that he still had the ability to think rationally and logically therefore the hallucinations and delusions would not have affected him in that regard.
  2. My honest thoughts with this objection is that it is a gigantic stretch and it is clutching at straws. I feel like I have addressed some of the contentions for this objection in prior objections. I do however want to add some more information that will get you to think. Firstly, I want you to ponder over the following, Muhammad ﷺ taught the Quran which was revealed to him by God. The Quran is unparalleled and still is in the Arabic language, in the sense that no one can ever produce something like the Quran.
  3. I want to now share the reactions of the recipients i.e the early Muslims. I already mentioned they described it as magic but had no proof rather just speaking out of their own whims and desires. Have a look at the below
  4. [Source](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880480336939728997/999486994335928390/IMG\_2430.png)
  5. Just ONE ayah of the Quran. ONE! One of the reasons why people may not comprehend this is because they don’t understand Arabic. I fully get that as I said I am not an expert in Arabic. But to an Arab Bedouin whose mother tongue is Arabic this was a shock for him to hear. Immediately, his reaction was “CERTAINLY it is not a human who said that.” I want you all to just reflect on how powerful that is.
  6. [Picture](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880480336939728997/999487086119899207/IMG\_2433.png)
  7. Notice how the Quraysh referred to Utbah as the expert and testified that this was the case and he even knew the Quran was miraculous. He was in a linguistic shock after listening to the verses of the Quran. He went back to the Quraysh and noticed how he warned them yet they rejected to him. Another man Al-Walid-Ibn al-Mughirah says the below.
  8. [Picture](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880480336939728997/999487179904532510/IMG\_2434.png)
  9. Many people were converting to Islam it go so bad the ardant disbelievers advised one another not to listen to the Quran. Allah tells us this in Chapter 41 verse 26
  10. “The disbelievers advised ˹one another˺, “Do not listen to this Quran but drown it out so that you may prevail.”
  11. So experts in the Arabic language in poetry in soothsaying at the time testified to the fact Quran was unique, that it can’t be from man. They even converted. How could a man who hated poetry and lived in a pagan eniviromennt, was illierate cause a reaction like you just read from people who were experts within the arabic language, is this something a man who suffers from hallucinations could do? No, it does not make any sense. We have witnesses as well to his life, people who were there. People who witnessed him receving revelation, people who witnessed him performing miracles. If he suffered from hallucinations, he would not be able to do this. Another example of a miracle is the following
  12. “Jabir bin `Abdullah said, “The people became very thirsty on the day of Al-Hudaibiya (Treaty). A small pot containing some water was in front of the Prophet (ﷺ) and when he had finished the ablution, the people rushed towards him. He asked, ‘What is wrong with you?’ They replied, ‘We have no water either for performing ablution or for drinking except what is present in front of you.’ So, he placed his hand in that pot and the water started flowing among his fingers like springs. We all drank and performed ablution (from it).” I asked Jabir, “How many were you?” he replied, “Even if we had been one-hundred-thousand, it would have been sufficient for us, but we were fifteen-hundred.”[20]
  13. Again, there were plenty of eyewitnesses to do this. How could he be hallucinating. Below is taken from Hamza Andreas Tzortzis article which I will be referencing again in the next objection.

Objection number 6 prophet of war

  1. Many claim that prophet muhammed was actually a war lord
  2. But that is not a logical reasoning
  3. Cause war isn’t always bad
  4. The answer is actually pretty simple
  5. The prophet (pbuh) didn’t kill anyone out of no reason out of facts they abused him for 13 years and he then went to Mecca but they went after him ; people hearing war will think barbaric in fact jesus according to the gospels in his 2nd coming he will fight with the sword in revelations 17:14 and after the interpretation of antonious fekri for this verse link: [Source](https://st-takla.org/pub\_Bible-Interpretations/Holy-Bible-Tafsir-02-New-Testament/Father-Antonious-Fekry/27-Sefr-El-Ro2ya/Tafseer-Sefr-Roia-Youhanna-El-Lahouty\_\_01-Chapter-17.html#14)
  6. Let alone Matthew 10:34. So taking things out of context isn’t just ; another point I could be proud that my dear prophet stood up and defended his people to save them while your god ran away like in Matthew 4:12 your so called God called a canite a dog Matthew 15:26. The problem is jesus would have fought but Jesus was persecuted and had only 12 followers against an empire. The prophet had 12 wives but did he mistreat them he offered to all the chance to divorce but they chose him sunan al nisa’i 3203 he never hit a women nor a slave sahih Muslim 2328a he died with liberating al his slaves.and for Jesus didn’t die prophet (pbuh) did such a bad argument we believe the prophet pbuh is a human like us all Quran 18:110;3:144 so he would die so isn’t a problem but it is inappropriate for a god to die for 3 days even 1second even if so Enoch of the OT didn’t even die 1 sec so is he better than Jesus Paul was killed so is he false? ; these arguments fail to interpret so much. Last thing the prophet commanded us to only attack if we are attack as in Quran 2:190;9:4;9:6 and not to kill a women a baby a priest don’t destroy a synagogue or kill only those who fight u -[al-bayhaqui-in al sunan al kubra volume 9 page 90-91 hadith 17589] the prophet also said liberate captives that is the only source of slavery and be nice to them in sahih Muslim 1657a he also said if u strike them u must liberate them.

objection number #7 from satan

  1. Now in the Bible it says satan can’t contradict himself in mark 3:26-28
  2. Also revelations 20:2 after some commentaries says satan is locked for 1K years after Jesus and muhammed came 600 years later
  3. But lets keep up with the first one
  4. How can satan make a book such as the Quran that curses him and tells the followers to do Good not bad

Objection #8 Quran

  1. [Source](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880480336939728997/999488025874669628/IMG\_1503.png)
  2. [Source](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880480336939728997/999488028642902136/IMG\_6926.png)
  3. [Source](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880480336939728997/999488051707392060/IMG\_1502.png)
  4. How can an illeterate man bring a book like this that guides all man mind kind with all those prophecies and miracles in the Quran
  5. How can an illeterate man always known to be truthful as in sahih al-bukhari 7 and 4770
  6. The claim that he is a false prophet is the second most stupidest notion ever
  7. How can he bring an unchallengeable book while he is an illiterate man ?
  8. That is while ignoring all the prophecies and miracles in the Quran
  9. If you have any responses or questions please let me know
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2022.06.13 07:34 Hypnotic_Kiwi Homophobia - Misplaced Moralities

In light of recent events in this space, there is need to discuss the misplaced moralities of this ummah.
This post is not meant to discuss in depth or dissect the extensive discourse surrounding same sex rulings in Islam - but rather the attitudes the ummah holds towards these beliefs and where such behaviour stems from within the Quran and society as a whole.
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Table of Contents:
  1. Quranic Verses on Homosexuality - Argument One: Same sex lust is not condemned.
  2. Allah's Silence - Argument Two: Same sex lust is condemned.
  3. Lack of Priorities and Misplaced Morals.
  4. Homophobia - Why We're Uncomfortable.
  5. Pride Month and Supporting the LGBTQ community.
  6. LGBTQ+ Muslim Organizations and Help Resources
  7. Closing Note
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Quranic Verses on Homosexuality - Argument One: Same sex lust is not condemned:

"Verily, you practice your lusts on men instead of women. Nay*, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds."* (7:81)

"And Lot! (Remember) when he said unto his folk: Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?" (7:80)
Edit: In addition, the men were not homosexuals. They were straight men (who were already married to women) engaging in rape. I repeat, the act of Sodom is not one of homosexual sex - as neither the men nor the angels were gay, nor can that act be classified as "sex" as this would require consent. The men were rapists, this is not about sex, nor gays. It is about rape and adultery.
"You approach males among worldly beings forsaking spouses whom your Lord created for you? Nay! You are a folk ones who turn away." (26:165-66)
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Allah's Silence - Argument Two: Same sex lust is condemned:

"And his people came rushing towards him, and before it they were committing sin, he said: “My people, these are my daughters, they are purer for you, so be aware of God and do not disgrace me regarding my guests. Is there no wise man among you?” (11:78)

"Verily, you practice your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds." (7:81)

Please refer to these links:
[Homosexuality and Same-Sex Relations in Islam]
[Prophet Lut (a.s.) and Bal]
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Lack of Priorities and Misplaced Morals:

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Homophobia - Why We're Uncomfortable:
The media has done a great injustice to the queer community and has severely moulded our perception of queer individuals in a harmful light. One of the biggest factors stems from the porn industry selling heterosexual audiences broken lens with which we are forced to perceive the queer community through heavily sexualized and derogatory stereotypes.
Often times, when we hear the terms, “Lesbian”, “Gay”, “Bisexual”, we immediately picture bodies. Naked bodies. Girl on girl, guy on guy. We think of sex - of things which do not concern us. Yet, it’s an automatic response. A flawed response - because the media has conditioned us to invalidate queers because we see them as bodies before we see them as humans.
We’re uncomfortable by the concept of someone being confident and experiencing sexuality in a different way from us to the point we feel threatened - especially when it involves literal children. Because we know it’s wrong.
We know we’re looking at this child and thinking of the physical intimacy between her fathers even though that’s not an automated response we’d have toeards6a straight couple. It makes us feel icky, makes our skin crawl because we’re aware and disgusted by ourselves - disgusted to be viewing children through sexual lens.
It makes sense to ask then, where these things stem from? There are several roots, a major factor being porn and how it massively aids in misrepresenting sexuality.

One in five straight men watch gay porn.
“Lesbian” is one of the most searched terms on pornhub.
Societies allow for queers to be sexualized, but does not allow one to be actually queer.

When it comes to depicting physical intimacy between lesbians, the majority of viewers are heterosexual men and such content is predominately made for the heterosexual male gaze, all of which are produced and directed by cis men - further selling lesbian relationships as a fetish while promoting false stereotypes. A straight man’s fantasy dictates how we go about communicating with people who experience and express womanhood, manhood, and femininity and masculinity differently than us..
When it comes to gay, bisexual, or lesbian porn - an overwhelming amount of those characters are depicted to be predatory by coercing and actively pursuing straight individuals into sex until they give in.
When heterosexuals look at Homosexual family units, they focus on explicit physical intimacy rather than appreciate the louder themes of family and companionship.
Queer individuals grow up surrounded by heterosexual mediums their entire lives - but still grow up to have a different sexual orientation or gender expression. Gays have always existed in ancient civilizations, Mesopotamia, Greece, Rome, Egypt, the Han dynasty, Japan, the ottoman empire - which can be recognized through imagery on sculptures, pottery, paintings, poetry, etc.
More people are not “becoming” gay, it’s just that queers now have greater acceptance and have an extensive platform through which information is more readily available - allowing people facing similar feelings to speak up and feel safer in the community as opposed to silencing themselves in fear in a stricter environment.
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Pride Month and Supporting the LGBTQ community:
Queer individuals:

Muslims support alcoholics. Consuming alcohol is haram.
Muslims support smokers. Many believe smoking is haram.
Muslims support drug addicts. Consuming drugs is haram.
Despite this, we continue to support them.

We support their human rights, their right to shelter, their right to food, to employment, to healthcare, to access to goods and services and so much more.
Muslims do not support Queers because they believe it is a sin. Yet, do not maintain that same attitude to other groups of people such as alcoholics or drug addicts.
Muslims do not go around executing, harassing, stoning, silencing, isolating and behave in hostility towards alcoholics and drug addicts, yet are obsessed and reserve their hate towards one group of people.

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LGBTQ+ Muslim Organizations and Help Resources:

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Closing Note:

~ When you hear the call "I support the LGBTQ community"
You see naked bodies.
I see humans. ~

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2022.06.12 08:14 No_Assistant8404 Shaykh Dr Khaled Abou El Fadl has just started his tafsir on Surah An Nur (Chapter 24) on his Project Illumine series. Since this Surah is one of the most discussed Surahs among progressives (mainly due to the verses regarding Hijab & Lashing Adulterers), I think everyone here to listen to this

Shaykh Dr Khaled Abou El Fadl has just started his tafsir on Surah An Nur (Chapter 24) on his Project Illumine series. Since this Surah is one of the most discussed Surahs among progressives (mainly due to the verses regarding Hijab & Lashing Adulterers), I think everyone here to listen to this submitted by No_Assistant8404 to progressive_islam [link] [comments]


2022.05.25 20:30 Mental-Context-963 زواج الاطفال في الاسلام

تكمله علي ده
طبعا هحاول مكررش الكلام الي اصلا في البوست, وهكتب الي يوصل المعلومه بس
اولا نزلت الايه عن عده المطلقه في صوره البقره 228
وَٱلْمُطَلَّقَـٰتُ يَتَرَبَّصْنَ بِأَنفُسِهِنَّ ثَلَـٰثَةَ قُرُوٓءٍۢ ۚ وَلَا يَحِلُّ لَهُنَّ أَن يَكْتُمْنَ مَا خَلَقَ ٱللَّهُ فِىٓ أَرْحَامِهِنَّ إِن كُنَّ يُؤْمِنَّ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ ۚ وَبُعُولَتُهُنَّ أَحَقُّ بِرَدِّهِنَّ فِى ذَٰلِكَ إِنْ أَرَادُوٓا۟ إِصْلَـٰحًۭا ۚ وَلَهُنَّ مِثْلُ ٱلَّذِى عَلَيْهِنَّ بِٱلْمَعْرُوفِ ۚ وَلِلرِّجَالِ عَلَيْهِنَّ دَرَجَةٌۭ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ
"ثلاثه قروء" : ثلاث حيضات
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انت ممكن تسأل سؤال هنا, طب والي مبيحضوش, وده نفس الي سئلته نساء المدينه طبري ابن كثير
حدثنا أبو كُرَيب وأبو السائب، قالا: ثنا ابن إدريس، قال: أخبرنا مطرف، عن عمرو بن سالم، قال: قال أبيّ بن كعب: يا رسول الله إن عِدداً من عِدد النساء لم تذكر في الكتاب الصغار والكبار، وأولات الأحمال، فأنزل الله: { وَاللاَّئِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ المَحيضِ مِنْ نِسائِكُمْ إنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلاثَةُ أشْهُرٍ واللاَّئِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ وأُولاتُ الأحْمالِ أجَلُهُنَّ أنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ
ونزلت ايه رقم 4 في سوره الطلاق الي بتتكلم عن ثلاث فئات
الكبار السن الي مبقوش يحيضوا خلاص
والصغار علي الحيض
وزوات الحمل
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طب هتقولي يبني, ما ده زواج من غير اي نكاح او اي حاجه
هقولك لا, اني لو مفيش اي نوع من العلاقه ف الطلاق هيبقي من غير عده اصلا, طبقا للايه ديه 33:49
يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِذَا نَكَحْتُمُ ٱلْمُؤْمِنَـٰتِ ثُمَّ طَلَّقْتُمُوهُنَّ مِن قَبْلِ أَن تَمَسُّوهُنَّ فَمَا لَكُمْ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِنْ عِدَّةٍۢ تَعْتَدُّونَهَا ۖ فَمَتِّعُوهُنَّ وَسَرِّحُوهُنَّ سَرَاحًۭا جَمِيلًۭا
اعتقد الكلام واضح يعني, وانت ممكن تشوف التفسير في اي وقت يعني
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كده مفيش اي سن, طب السؤال المهم ازاي هياخد اذنها اذا كانت صغيره, الفكره انها ملهاش اذن اصلا, انت بس تتفق مع الاب وخد الي تحبه
https://i.imgur.com/tazsNkt.png, فتح الباري ص346 حديث 5081
اقرا معايا كده:
وقال ابن بطال: يجوز تزويج الصغيره بالكبير اجماعا ولو كان في المهد لكن لا يمكن منها حتي تصلح للوطء ويؤخد من الحديث ان الأب يزوج البكر الصغيره بغير استئذانها
وده موقع درر السنيه في الفقه بيقول نفس الكلام dorar
يجوزُ للأبِ تزويجُ ابنتِه البكرِ الصغيرةِ دونَ إذنِها، وهذا باتِّفاقِ المَذاهِبِ الفِقهيَّةِ الأربَعةِ: الحَنَفيَّةِ، والمالِكيَّةِ، والشَّافِعيَّةِ، والحَنابِلةِ، وحُكِيَ الإجماعُ على ذلك
هذا صَريحٌ في جوازِ تَزويجِ الأبِ الصَّغيرةَ بغيرِ إذنِها؛ لأنَّه لا إذنَ لها
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طب انت ممكن تسأل هي ايه ضوابط الوطء, هي بكل بساطه
وجاء في (الموسوعة الفقهية): ذهب الفقهاء إلى أن من موانع التسليم الصغر، فلا تسلم صغيرة لا تحتمل الوطء إلى زوجها حتى تكبر ويزول هذا المانع؛ لأنه قد يحمله فرط الشهوة على الجماع فتتضرر به. وذهب المالكية والشافعية إلى زوال مانع الصغر بتحملها للوطء. قال الشافعية: ولو قال الزوج: سلموها لي ولا أطؤها حتى تحتمله، فإنه لا تسلم له وإن كان ثقة؛ إذ لا يؤمن من هيجان الشهوة. اهـ.
وأما عند الحنفية فقال ابن نجيم في (البحر الرائق): اختلفوا في وقت الدخول بالصغيرة، فقيل: لا يدخل بها ما لم تبلغ. وقيل: يدخل بها إذا بلغت تسع سنين. وقيل: إن كانت سمينة جسيمة تطيق الجماع يدخل بها، وإلا فلا. اهـ.
وجاء في الفتاوى الهندية: أكثر المشايخ على أنه لا عبرة للسن في هذا الباب وإنما العبرة للطاقة، إن كانت ضخمة سمينة تطيق الرجال ولا يخاف عليها المرض من ذلك; كان للزوج أن يدخل بها وإن لم تبلغ تسع سنين, وإن كانت نحيفة مهزولة لا تطيق الجماع، ويخاف عليها المرض لا يحل للزوج أن يدخل بها وإن كبر سنها، وهو الصحيح. اهـ
يعني اربع حاجات علي حسب المذاهب
جامد
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تمام يعني كده مفيش سن وممكن تتجوزها من غير اذنها حتي لو ملهاش اذن علشان صغيره وبينفش تتمكن منها الا لما تصلح للوطء
طب السؤال المهم, لو انت عاوز تحمل اي حاجه غير الوطء, اه عادي من الاتفاق من الاب بردو (اصل انت بتشتري تلاجه)
https://i.imgur.com/7aKogFr.png, شرح النووي لصحيح مسلم جزء 9 ص206
اقرا كده:
واما وقت زفاف الصغيره المزوجه والدخول بها فان اتفق الزوج والولي علي شيء لاضرر فيه علي الصغيره عمل به, فقال احمد وابو عبيد تجبر علي ذلك بنت تسع سنين دون غيرها
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تمام تمام, يعني كده مفيش سن وممكن تتجوزها من غير اذنها حتي لو ملهاش اذن علشان صغيره وبينفش تتمكن منها الا لما تصلح للوطء, وتتفق مع الولي علي حاجه بشرط انه مفيش ضرر عليها
وكام حاجه بقي نقفل بيها والفتوه الجميله ديه islamweb
فإن جواز تقبيل الزوجة الصغيرة بشهوة والمفاخذة ونحو ذلك له ضوابط, وقد بين العلماء رحمهم الله تعالى أن الأصل جواز استمتاع الرجل بزوجته كيف شاء إذا لم يكن ضرر، وذكروا في ذلك استمناءه بيدها ومداعبتها وتقبيلها وغير ذلك... قال شيخ الإسلام زكريا الأنصاري في الغرر البهية: (والبعل) أي: الزوج (كل تمتع) بزوجته جائز (له) حتى الاستمناء بيدها، وإن لم يجز بيده وحتى الإيلاج في قبلها من جهة دبرها. انتهى
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تمام, يعني كده مفيش سن وممكن تتجوزها من غير اذنها حتي لو ملهاش اذن علشان صغيره وبينفش تتمكن منها الا لما تصلح للوطء, وتتفق مع الولي علي حاجه بشرط انه مفيش ضرر عليها, يعني ممكن يفخدها عادي ويبوسها وتعمله هاند جوب كمان
جميل
وفتوه عن اغلب الكلام جزاهم الله خيرا بيخلوا الموضوع البحث اسهل
islamweb
وموضوع رد علي الحجج مكتوب في البوست الي حطيته فوق ف مش شرط اكتبه ثاني يعني
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2022.05.16 07:48 JwillyB Making distinction between the Messengers of God: The Gospels and the Qur'an

Something is really bothering me.
“Each one believes in Allaah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. (They say,) ‘We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers’”[al-Baqarah 2:136]
I converted to Islam last year, originally from Christianity, but am currently going through some stupid crisis since maybe half way through ramadan. One thing that has been really bothering me more and more during this period of reflection is the Muslim attitude towards Jesus.
While belief in divine messengers and scriptures (Moses, Jesus, Torah, Gospel) is theoretically part of Islamic Creed, most Muslims, at least on a popular level do in fact make a distinction between messengers and books. This was an enormous barrier to my conversion. I would have become Muslim literally years ago if I had read anything remotely convincing on this topic.
The most common response is "The Bible has been corrupted" (along with other commonly stated nonsense like "the Christians invented the Trinity in the Council of Nicaea", "there are so many different Bibles", "the Orthodox Christians are closer to the message of Jesus (as)" etc.)... but I don't think that this is necessarily this Islamic position. Dr. Ali Ataie from Zaytuna College wrote his p.h.D on an Islamic exegesis of the Gospel of John, and he calls this position 'Standard Muslim Biblicism". The worst manifestation of this in my eyes is the book 'Jesus: Prophet of Islam' by Muhammad 'Ata ur-Rahim. As someone who has been pretty well-versed in Christian theology, doctrine, church history and exegesis ( I understand some Koine Greek), this book was literally the biggest load of garbage I have ever read on paper. The author COMPLETELY and intentionally misrepresents every single aspect of church history and historical theology, to the point that I cannot understand why it was published.
"And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah ," but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know." (3:78)
Christians have written extensive polemics on this topic, for example in the very well-written book 'Cross and Cresent' by Colin Chapman, who points out two things: 1) The Qur'an does not necessarily say in verses like this one that the Christian scriptures have been textually corrupted (more on this later). 2) When Muslims adopt this position they create a contradiction for themselves.
Surah 5:47 says "And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient." How can God instruct Christians to do this if their texts are irreparably fabricated? No, we cannot say "this is specifically referring to Christians in the time of the Prophet (saws) who had a more preserved scripture, but this is also crock. We know what the Christians in Arabia in the 7th century were reading (eg. the Diatessaron Gospel harmony). The oldest complete BIBLES (Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus) date from the 4th Christian century and these are some of the manuscripts that modern Bible translations are based off. This verse creates an enormous dilemma which I you can briefly hear from Frank Turek yourself: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqLQTgKqODY)
So, what do we do? Most of us adopt a belief in what Dr Ataie calls the "Injil Archetype"- that God revealed a book through Jesus called the Injil which was probably similar to the Qur'an, maybe in Aramaic, which is now lost to the entire world (even with modern studies in archaeology, textual criticism, etc.) This is the most popularly-accepted theory, championed especially by Ahmed Deedat- who I recommend everyone promptly disregard (most Christians laugh at him- and I see why. Here is an example of someone speaking without knowledge. He was a smart man, and has his benefits, but he was not trained in Christian theology and made many embarrassing blunders.) But the necessary question is... WHERE IS THIS BOOK?? If you believe in the Injil Archetype, you will have to blasphemously disregard Surah 5:47. If we don't want to do that, we have to come up with something better.
Tahrif
When I see Christians convert to Islam, the strangest thing is that they seem to jump from believing that the New Testament is θεόπνευστος (Theopneustos- literally 'breathed out by God') to believing it has been corrupted in the blink of an eye. I used to ask Muslims to SHOW me how it has been corrupted, only to find out that they have often never even seen a Bible, let alone read one. (HUGE contrast to this man- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OGB3g92FwA- who converted from Anglicanism to Catholicism)
In 'The Alchemy of Happiness', al-Ghazali quotes a Psalm (to be fair I did not recognise it and could not locate it myself), while at the end of the Ihya he actually quotes Jesus from the Gospel of Mathew. He took the 'Injil' to mean the extant books of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. He even wrote a book (attributed to him, at least) (which I have not yet had the pleasure of reading) called 'Al-Radd Al-jamīl' - 'A Splendid Refutation of the Divinity of Jesus' which uses the Gospels to argue his case. He respects the evangelists and even Paul (It seems Muslims only dislike him since they started reading Critical Scholarship which came out of 19th century Germany and now championed by the likes of Bart Ehrman).
What is interesting to me is that everything that the Qur'an says about the Christians and their scriptures even in this day and age, and amongst Protestants, who by no means existed in the 7th century- is 100% true- although, as the Qur'an miraculously does- comes from many different angles. For example, in 3:74, I believe that changing things "with their tongues" refers to translation. I personally have examined certain translations of key Christological texts and found that they are most certainly (mis)translated to reflect a Trinitarian theology. An example of this is the famous "I am" ( ἐγώ εἰμι) statements of Jesus in the Gospel of John, which are used to argue that Jesus claimed to be divine (even though he clearly refutes this in John 10). This culminates in John 5:58, where Jesus says "Before Abraham was, I am." However, the first instance of this in John 4:26 which is clearly a claim to Messiahship, rather than divinity. Most translation try so hard to sneak around the language, because by translating ἐγώ εἰμι as I am would be a theological anchor for all subsequent ἐγώ εἰμι statements, and would necessitate a different interpretation of John 8:58. But enough of this (I have lots of private material I can share if anyone is interested).
This would mean that Tahrif exists in the post-authorship interpretation of the text (let's be real- translations are always interpretations), rather than on the textual level.
So the question is, if Tahrif DOES exist on the textual level, I would love if someone could prove it to me. (I do not include the Pericope Adulterae, Johannine Comma or the ending of the Gospel of Mark to be acceptable arguments. If you want to make your case based off these, you still have an enormous body of text to work through which is completely untouched by these passages)
My view of the Christian scriptures and the divinity of Jesus at this point in time is incredibly nuanced. Regardless of their level of inspiration, it is undeniable that the four Gospels are incredibly unique texts that I will, God willing, spend my life pondering over and marveling at, and am currently working my way through Leon Morris' commentary on John- my favourite Gospel. I believe in Tawhid, and in the Prophethood of Muhammad- peace and blessings of God be upon him, but I also believe wholeheartedly in the Prophethood of Jesus- peace and blessings of God be upon him, and I do not feel the need to construct some unhistorical imaginary Jesus- because this is exactly what Christians do in their worship of the divine, 'cosmic' Jesus. I am frustrated that most Muslims don't share this, and Christians laugh at us. You will not convince any of them if you just ask them "WhErE iS tHe ReAl GoSpEl, HuH??¿¿??
We could also talk about what this means for the crucifixion of Jesus, but I think this is not the time. I for one accept it as a historical reality- of course open to the possibility to being wrong. Occam's Razor; I have to do some very flexible intellectual contortions to accept that Jesus did not die. I commend to you Todd Lawson's brilliant book 'The Crucifixion and the Qur'an' which is an exhaustive examination of EVERY SINGLE tafsir of Surah 4:157
I would love to hear everyone's thoughts, I apologise if the wording of this post comes across as angry or invective in any way. It's not good because I'm starting to see Muslims as ignorant - even my teachers. And then the thought creeps in that if they can be so blatantly in error in this matter, why should I take their guidance in other matters?
May God's peace and blessings be upon you all.
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2022.04.22 12:48 abd_min_ibadillah Flutter Islamic Open Source Apps

https://github.com/MuslimTechNet/Islamic-Open-Source-Flutter-Apps

Islamic-Open-Source-Flutter-Apps

Open source flutter apps useful for Muslims
Flutter Packages/Widgets on pub.dev. Kindly check the last updated date, manys seem to be unmaintained.
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2022.03.17 23:27 No_Expression_1991 Islam of America

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2021.11.27 20:31 Wolfs_Bane2017 [Muslims] Ahmadiyyat Islam has the correct viewpoint on the Khataman Nabiyyan status of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) conferred to him in Quran 33:40

Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh
In the name of Allah, The Gracious, The Merciful

Introduction

After doing some research and exploring the different viewpoints of Ahmadi’s and Sunnis, I firmly believe that Ahmadis have the correct and logical viewpoint on the Khataman Nabiyyan title of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and want to have my view challenged in a debate.
For the non-Muslim readers, there are many sects within Islam, I am from the Ahmadi sect which differentiates from the rest of the Muslims in that we do not believe that Prophethood has ended and that Prophet Jesus (as) died a natural death. Due to these differences, Ahmadis are persecuted by countries such as Pakistan's s298C of the Penal Code and we are also barred from performing Hajj. The differences are very complex and I cannot cover them with justice in this one post, so in this post I want to debate on Khataman Nabiyyan. All the Muslims would already know the emphasis that Islam lays on always telling the truth, and in Sahih Muslim introduction 9 it is stated by Umar ibn Al-Khattab (ra) that it is enough of a lie for a man to narrate everything he hears. So, it is important to at least know my actual beliefs before labelling me a Kafir or anything else. To the Muslims, if this evidence does not convince you, it should at least show that Ahmadis are not out of the fold of Islam by believing that Prophethood has not ended.
Khataman Nabiyyan is used to refer to the Prophet Muhammad in 33:40 of the Quran and it translates to “seal of the Prophets” and Muslims have interpreted this to mean that there is to be no more Prophets after the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) whereas Ahmadis say that this means that the Prophet Muhammad is the last law bearing Prophet and Khatam is to highlight is status as the greatest of all Prophets.

Analysis of Quran 33:40

First the context.
The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) had no surviving male children, they would all pass away at a young age. The opponents of the Prophet (SAW) began mocking him in this regard saying that he will not have any progeny and his dispensation will thus vanish from the earth. The opponents called him أبتر (Abtr) meaning the one who has no male issue. So, Allah (SWT) revealed chapter 108 of the Quran, Surah Al-Kausar:
“Surely, we have bestowed upon thee an abundance of good; so, pray to thy lord, and offer sacrifice. Surely it is thy enemy who shall be without issue (Al-Abtr).”
This verse was revealed after the passing of the Prophet’s (SAW) son, Al-Qasim. This is also stated in Tafsir Ibn Kathir. The idea naturally flowed with the Muslims that this meant that the Prophet (SAW) was going to have a son who would live to an adult age, however this was not the case as he had more sons, and none survived to reach the age of puberty.
So, then Allah revealed in Quran 33:40:
“Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah has full knowledge of all things.”
A simple analysis of the context and the grammatical structure of the verse would reveal the meaning of this verse. The subject matter of the verse is fatherhood. Firstly Allah (SWT) negates the physical fatherhood of the Prophet (SAW) confirming that he will not have any physical progeny. Then the word “but” is used (Lakin in Arabic), we know that this is a conjunction word used to contrast the first part of a sentence to the latter part. In the first part of the verse Allah has negated the physical fatherhood of the Prophet by saying that “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men”, so the latter part of the verse will affirm his fatherhood in some manner. After the word “but” (lakin), Allah states that the Prophet (SAW) is “the Messenger of Allah”. Earlier on in the same chapter, Allah refers to the wives of the Prophet (SAW) as the mother of believers (33:6). As the wives are the mother of believers, the Prophet (SAW) being a Messenger, is the father of the Ummah as affirmed by this verse. Early scholars of Islam share this view
⁃ In Tafsir Al Kashnaaf, Imam Zamakshari: Meaning every messenger is the father of his Ummah (under 33:40)
⁃ In Al Tafsir-ul-Kabeer, Imam Razi states that the messenger of Allah’s like a father to the Ummah (under 33:40)
⁃ Imam Baydawi says the same in his Tafsir
Then, to raise the status of the Prophet (SAW) beyond that of any other Prophet, Allah gives him (SAW) the title of Khataman Nabiyyan, the seal of the Prophets. In this context this means that he is the father of all the Prophets before him and any to come after him. The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) acts as an authentication for all other Prophets, like a Kings seal on a letter to authenticate it. If anyone is to claim Prophethood they must be in full obedience to the laws of the Prophet (SAW) and cannot change anything even an atoms worth, and all Prophets of the past preached the same message as the Prophet (SAW) so if you want to determine if someone from the past is a prophet you would have to compare their teachings to the Prophet Muhammads (SAW) teachings to authenticate them. SImilarly, a new Prophet must bear the seal of Prophet Muhammad (SAW), which as I stated means that he must follow the law of Islam and cannot bring a new law. The dictionary definitions of the word Khatam can be found below.
In this context it would be strange for this to mean the end of Prophethood as this is debunking the enemies remarks that the Prophet (SAW) will have no more progeny, it affirms that though he will not have physical progeny, he will have spiritual progeny from that moment until the end of time and that billions upon billions of people will have more obedience towards the Prophet (SAW) than they do to their own fathers. Certainly, Khatam cannot mean to say here that he is the last of the Prophets.
Ibn Hajar-al-Asqalani was called Khatam-ul-Huffaz, the chief of the memorisers (on the title page of Tabaqat-ul-Mudallisin). Certainly no one would take this in the literal sense to say Khatam means the last of the memorisers of the Quran as there clearly have been many people that memorised the Quran after Ibn Hajar. This term is being used to show the status of how well Ibn Hajar memorised the Quran that in a hyperbolic sense, no one will be able to memorise the Quran like him. Similarly, it is used to show the status of the Holy Prophet that no one has ever been or will be a Prophet like him, one who demonstrated the perfect qualities and gave us a perfected law that cannot be abrogated.

Arabic Dictionaries

It is also worth looking at Arabic dictionaries on the word Khatam.
In Aqrabul Mawarid:
Khatama-hu, Khatman, and Khataaman mean: He sealed it (taba‘a-hu) or put a seal (stamp) on it and it also crosses as it is said: He sealed the book and put (it) on the book. To seal something: To reach its end. (For) the book: He read it completely and finished it. (To seal) the book: He put the impression of his stamp on it so that it (is authenticated and) cannot be faked.
Lisanul Arab
Khatama-hu, yakhtima-hu, khatman, and khitaaman: The last, on the authority of Laihani: He sealed it (taba‘a-hu), hence it becomes sealed or stamped. It is for emphasis. And, Khatim, is the one who does (the act of sealing). And al-khatm on the heart means: He does not understand anything, and nothing is comprehended by it, as it is sealed. And in the revelation (of the Quran, it is stated): Allah has set a seal upon their hearts. It is similar to His statement: Allah has sealed (taba‘a) their hearts, i.e., they do not understand, nor comprehend, anything. Abu Ishaq said: It means khatama and taba’a have the same meaning, and they mean that a cover has been laid on a thing, and (to place an) obstacle next to it such that nothing reaches it. This is similar to the statement of God Almighty: “Is it that on the hearts are their locks?” [47:25]
Lanes Lexicon
خَتَمَهُ, (S, Mgh, Msb, K) aor., (Msb, K) inf. N. خَتْمٌ (S, Mgh, Msb, K) and خِتَامٌ (Lh, K, TA) with kesr, (TA) [in the CK, erroneously, خَتام] i.q. طَبَعَهُ [He sealed, stamped, imprinted, or impressed, it]: (Msb, K:) or he put the خَاتَم [or signet] upon it: (Mgh:) namely, a thing, (S, Mgh) or a writing or book and the like: and خَتَمَ عَلَیْهِ signifies the same [or he put a seal, or the impression of a signet, upon it]. (Msb) Accord. To Er-Raghib, خَتْمٌ and طَبْعٌ signify The impressing a thing with the engraving of the signet and stamp*:* and the former [as is indicated, but not plainly expressed, as distinguished from the latter] is tropically used, sometimes, as meaning the securing oneself from a thing, and protecting [oneself] from it; in consideration of protection by means of sealing upon writings and doors: and sometimes as meaning the producing an impression**, or** effect, upon a thing from another thing; in consideration of the impress produced [by the signet]: and sometimes it is used as relating to the reaching the end [of a thing]: (TA:) or the primary signification of خَتْمٌ is the act of covering over [a thing]: (Az, TA:) accord. to Zj, the proper meaning of خَتْمٌ and طَبْعٌ is the covering over a thing and securing oneself from a thing’s entering it: some say that the former signifies the concealing a notification of a thing, [as] by putting one’s fingers over it, by way of guarding oneself thereby. (TA.)—Hence, خَتْمُ الشَّھَادَة [The sealing of the testimony]; which is thus described by El-Hulwanee: the witness, when he wrote his name upon a صَک [q.v.], caused his written name to be beneath a piece of lead, [i.e. covered it with a piece of lead,] and put upon it the impress of his signet, in order that there might be no falsification of it or substitution for it.
Mufradat Imam Raghib
*Al-*Khatm and al-Tab‘u are used in two ways: The first way (which is the primary [fundamental] meaning) is the infinitive form of the two words, and their meaning is the impressing of something like the impression or engraving [نقش] of a seal or a ring (that is, one thing impacts or influences another). The second meaning is the obtained impression of the stamp.
Sometimes, the derived meaning is: stopping from something. And this meaning has been given based on the fact that when books or chapters are sealed after writing, it means that their writing has ended and one has stopped writing. For example, “Allah has set a seal on their hearts” and put a seal on his hearing and his heart. Sometimes, the derived meaning, based on the act of sealing, is to create an impact (of the seal), and sometimes, the derived meaning is to bring something to an end. It is in this sense that the phrase is stated, “I reached the end of [khatam-tu] the recitation of the Quran).
[What can be concluded from the above entry in Mufradat Imam Raghib is that the words Khatm and Tab‘ fundamentally mean seal or the act of creating an impression. All other meanings are secondary or derived meanings. Hence, the meaning of bringing something to an end is a secondary meaning].
Source with original screenshots in Arabic

The following can be concluded from these definitions:
  1. That the Holy Prophet was the Seal of the Prophets, meaning that for any Prophet, past or future, to be regarded as true, he must bear the seal of the Holy Prophet(SAW). Any claims to Prophethood must be authenticated through the revelation in the Quran and Hadith, where there is consistency than a person can be said to be a Prophet.
  2. That the Holy Prophet(sa) was the best, the noblest and the most perfect of all the Prophets in that his moral qualities were the best out of all the Prophets and he (SAW) testified to the truth of all the other Prophets as a culmination of all of them.
  3. That the Holy Prophet was the last of the Law-bearing Prophets, but more Prophets can appear from the Ummah of the Prophet that do not abrogate his law and are the followers of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), as we all agree that there is to be a latter day Messiah.

Other Verses of the Quran

Quran 4:69 – states that the blessings open to the followers of Prophet Muhammad are Prophethood, truthful, martyrdom and righteousness. These blessings are open both in status and in their actual form
Quran 72:8 - “And indeed they thought, even as you think, that Allah would never raise any Messenger.”
Quran 40:34 - “And Joseph did come to you before with clear proofs, but you ceased not to be in doubt concerning that with which he came to you till, when he died, you said: ‘Allah will never raise up a Messenger after him.’ Thus does Allah adjudge as lost those who transgress, and are doubters”
The above two verses show that whenever a Prophet is sent, people oppose him then after they accept him and he passes away, the people begin to say that there will be no more messengers after him. Due to this, the Jews and Christians have rejected true Prophets of Allah. This verse is a warning from Allah to the people in the time of the Prophet (SAW) and all those that will come after that prophethood never ceases as prophethood is a great mercy to mankind and Allah the merciful would never cease such blessings for us.
Quran 57:16-17 - “Has not the time arrived for those who believe that their hearts should feel humbled at the remembrance of Allah and at the truth which has come down to them, and that they should not become like those who were given the Book before them and the term was prolonged for them, but their hearts were hardened, and many of them are wicked? Know that Allah is now quickening the earth after its death. We have made the Signs manifest to you, that you may understand”
This verse shows that after a long duration after the death of a prophet, the people become hard hearted, wicked, and misguided, then Allah sends a prophet to correct their ways. This has been likened to the Earth quickening after its death, elsewhere in the Quran Allah gives the example of dead plants being revived after rain is sent on them, the rain being the prophets and plants being the people.
This is reinforced in:
Quran 7:35 - “O children of Adam! if Messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing My Signs unto you, then whoso shall fear God and do good deeds, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve.”
This verse is clearly in future tense, why would Allah reveal such a verse if there were not to be anymore Messengers in the future?

Evidence From Hadith

Narrated Abu Hurayrah: The Prophet (ﷺ) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (as). He will descend.(Sunan Abi Dawud 4324)
Clearly the Prophet Muhammad refers to the latter day Messiah as a Prophet.
نَبِيُّ اللَّهُ عِيسَى وَأَصْحَابُهُ حَتَّى يَكُونَ رَأْسُ الثَّوْرِ لأَحَدِهِمْ خَيْرًا مِنْ مِائَةِ دِينَارٍ لأَحَدِكُمُ الْيَوْمَ فَيَرْغَبُ نَبِيُّ اللَّهِ عِيسَى وَأَصْحَابُهُ فَيُرْسِلُ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهُمُ النَّغَفَ فِي رِقَابِهِمْ فَيُصْبِحُونَ فَرْسَى كَمَوْتِ نَفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ ثُمَّ يَهْبِطُ نَبِيُّ اللَّهِ عِيسَى وَأَصْحَابُهُ إِلَى الأَرْضِ فَلاَ يَجِدُونَ فِي الأَرْضِ مَوْضِعَ شِبْرٍ إِلاَّ مَلأَهُ زَهَمُهُمْ وَنَتْنُهُمْ فَيَرْغَبُ نَبِيُّ اللَّهِ عِيسَى وَأَصْحَابُهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ فَيُرْ
“Allah’s Prophet, Jesus and his companions would then be besieged here (at Tur, and they would be so much hard pressed) that the head of the ox would be dearer to them than one hundred dinars and Allah’s Prophet, Jesus, and his companions would supplicate Allah, who would send to them insects (which would attack their necks) and in the morning they would perish like one single person. Allah’s Prophet, Jesus, and his companions would then come down to the earth and they would not find in the earth as much space as a single span which is not filled with their putrefaction and stench. Allah’s Prophet, Jesus, and his companions would then again beseech Allah” (Sahih Muslim 2937a)
Latter day Messiah referred to as “Nabi’ullah (Prophet of Allah 4 times). The full hadith states that he (ra) would get revelation from Allah.

Views of Scholars

Many people today say that the Ahmadiyyat viewpoint is out of the fold of Islam and that we are clearly kafirs, well here are a whole lot of scholars throughout history that held the same views as us on prophethood including many sunni scholars, mujadids, shia imams and more compiled in this book. There are many more that I am not including for the sake of the word count.
Hazrat Abu Abdullah Muhammad Bin Ali Hussain Al Hakim Al Tirmidhi states:
“According to us, it means that prophethood manifested itself in its full and complete manner in the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him . His heart became a vessel for the complete perfection of prophethood and then his heart was sealed. How can the glory and superiority of Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, be manifested if we claim that he was the last to appear in the world? This is, no doubt, an interpretation of the foolish and the ignorant.” (Kitab Khatamul Auliya, Page 341)
Imam al Razi states: Intellect is the Khatam (culmination) of everything (arabic proverb). Therefore, it is necessary for khatam to mean the best. Don’t you realise that when our Prophet was declared the seal of the Prophets, he was declared the best of the Prophets.” (Tafsir e Kabeer, under 20:26)
‘Allama ‘Abdur Rahman bin Khaldun(rh) (died 808 A.H.)
Saintliness is analogous to prophethood; just as there are various ranks in prophethood, there are similar ranks in sainthood. One who possesses the best of the saintly qualities is called Khatamul-Auliya’, just as the one who possesses the best of the qualities of prophethood is known as Khatamul-Anbiya’ (al-Muqaddimah ibn-e-Khaldun, vol. 1, p. 271)
Maulana Muhammad Qasim Nanotawi, founder of the Deobandi sect writes:
Prophets are similar to governors as they are charged with the duty of delivering divine commandments to the people. They are God’s vicegerents. Therefore, it is necessary for them to hold positions of authority. The office of a governor or minister is considered the highest in a chain of subordinate officers. A governor or a minister has the authority to set aside the orders or directives of his subordinates. His orders, on the other hand, cannot be set aside by subordinate officers. The final authority rests with the governor. Similarly, there is no one above the ranks or with more authority than the ‘Khatamun-Nabiyyin.’ All others are subordinate to him. (Collection of Rare Periodicals and Addresses— Mubahathah Shahjahanpur, 1914, p. 25)
Maulana Muhammad Qasim of Nanauta states:
According to the layman the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings on him, being the KHATAM (seal), is supposed to have appeared after all the previous prophets. But men of understanding and the wise know it very well that being the first or the last, chronologically, does not carry any weight. How could, therefore, the words of the Holy Qura’n: “But he is the Messenger of Allah and the seal of the Prophets” (33:41) glorify him? But I know very well that none from among the Muslims would be prepared to agree with the common men.
[Tahzir ul Naas, Page 4-5]
He states further: If we accept this view, it shall not at all contravene his finality, even though someone in the future does rise to the high status of prophethood.
[Tahzir ul Naas, Page 34]
Hazrat Imam Abu Ja’far Sadiq (descendant of Hazrat Hussain (ra)):
‘Hazrat Abu Ja’far, while discussing the Quranic verse: “For verily We granted the Book to the children of Abraham…,” said that God vouchsafed to the children of Abraham, Messengers, Prophets and Imams. But what is ironical is that people believe in what God blessed the children of Abraham with and yet they deny this blessing for the progeny of Muhammad.’
[Al-Saafi Sharah Asool Al-Kaafi, Part 3, Pg. 119]
The famous and well-known religious leader of the Ahl-e-Hadith, Nawab Siddiq Hassan Khan says:
“The Hadith ‘There is no revelation after my demise’ has no foundation, although LA NABIYYA BA’DEE is quite correct, which, according to the men of letters, means that ‘There shall be no prophet after me who shall be raised with a new code of Law which abrogates my Law.’
[Iqtrab ul Saat, Page 162]
Imam Sayyuti writes:
“Abu Na`eem related in “Hulya” from Anas(ra) that the Holy Prophet(sa) said that Allāh revealed to Prophet Moses(as) that I shall throw all those in hell who come to me in a state that they rejected Ahmad(sa). Prophet Moses(as) asked, O God, who is Ahmad? Allāh said that he is the best amongst all the creatures and I wrote his name on the throne before the creation of heaven and earth and none of my creatures can enter Paradise unless they become a member of his Ummah. Prophet Moses(as) requested that O God, appoint me a Prophet of this Ummah. Allāh said that their Prophet shall be from amongst them. Prophet Moses(as) again requested that then make me a member of this Ummah. Allāh said that you are before them and they shall be after you, but I shall join you in the House of My Majesty.``
(Al-Khasaisul Kubrā by Allamā Jalāluddin Al-Sayyūtī; & Nashr-ut-Tīb Fī Zikr-un-Nabī Alhabīb, by Ashraf Alī Thanvī)
Hazrat Shah Waliullah Muhaddith of Delhi who is known to be the mujadid of the 12th century states:
“The closing of prophethood with the Holy Prophet (SAW) means that there can be no divinely inspired reformer after him who would be commissioned with a new law by Allah”(Tafheemat-e-Ilahiyya Part 2 Pagee 85)
And
“The meaning of the Holy Prophet being the Khataman Nabiyyin is that there shall not now appear a person whom God may appoint with a new Law for mankind, that is to say, there shall be no prophet who shall come with a new Law(Tafhimate Ilahiyya Volume II, page 53, 72-73)
The people generally believe that when he (Messiah) would descend on earth, he would only be an ‘Ummati.’ Certainly, it is not correct. He would be an embodiment of the spirit which enkindled the soul of the Holy Prophet (saw) would be his faithful replica”… “There cannot be an independent prophet after the Holy Prophet (saw) who is not his follower and his adherent” … “The end of prophethood with the Holy Prophet (saw) only means that there can be no law bearing prophet or a prophet from outside the Ummah (Al Khairul Kathir, page 111)
Regarding the hadith of Ba’di he states:
It must be clearly understood that the object of this hadith is to highlight the appointment of Hazrat ‘Ali (Allah be pleased with him) to act in the place of the Holy Prophet(sa) when he was to be absent from Madinah during his expedition to Tabuk. Also, it highlights Hazrat Ali’s resemblance to Hazrat Harun(as) when Hazrat Musa(as) had journeyed to the Mount. It is to be noted that the word ba‘di here means ‘ghairi’ “beside me”. It does not mean “after me” in time. As we read in the Holy Qur’an:1 In this verse ba‘dillah means other than Allah. (Qurratul-‘Ainain fi Tafdilish-Shaikhain, by Waliyyullah Dehlavi, p. 206)
Hazrat Mohyuddin Ibn Arabi states: ““The prophethood has terminated with the person of the Prophet of Allah(saw), and his blessings, was no other than the law-bearing prophethood not prophethood itself and this is the meaning of his “verily apostleship and prophethood ceased with me therefore there shall be after me neither an apostle nor a prophet i.e. there shall not be after me a prophet with a law other than mine but that he shall be subject to my law”(Al Fatuhat ul Makiyya Volume 2 page 3)
He also states:
“From the study and contemplation of the Darud we have arrived at the definite conclusion that there shall, from among the Muslims, certainly be persons whose status, in the matter of prophethood, shall advance to the level of prophets, if Allah pleases. But they shall not be given any book of law”…“It is the height of excellence in the Holy Prophet (saw) that through the prayer in ‘Darud Sharif’ he placed his progeny at par with the prophets, and his surpassing eminence over Hazrat Ibrahim lies in the fact that his Sharia can never be repealed (Fatuhati Makiyyah Volume 1, Chapter 73, Page 545)
In fine, we have learnt for certain (from Darud Sharif) that this ‘Ummah’ is destined to have amongst it such personages as would be ranked with the prophets in the eyes of Allah, but they shall not be law-bearers(Fatuhati Makiyyah Volume 1, Chapter 73, Page 545)
“Jesus (as) shall descend amongst the Muslim Ummah as an arbitrator without a new law. Most surely, he will be a prophet. There is no doubt about it.”(Fatuhati Makiyyah Volume 1, Chapter 73, Page 570)
“In so far as the law-bearing prophethood is concerned, it verily ceased and terminated in Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, and therefore has there is no law-giving prophet after him…. but Allah has in His graciousness to His servants, continued general prophethood without the law-bearing elements.” (Fusus ul Hikam, Page 134-135)
Hazrat Aisha (ra) said:
“Say he is the Seal of the Prophets, But do not say that there is no no prophet after him”(Durr-e-Manthoor, Under 33:40)
Al Imam ibn Qutaybah ad-Dinwari who passed away in 267 After Hijri stated:
“So far as it concerns the statement of ‘Ā’ishahra: ‘Call the Apostle of Allāh (saw): The Seal of the Prophets and do not say: There will be no prophet after him’; it is directed to the descent of ‘Īsāas and this statement of her does not contradict the statement of the Prophetsaw ‘There will be no prophet after me’, because he meant: ‘There will be not prophet after me who will abrogate that with which I came.” (Dar al-Kitaab Al Arabi, Beirut)
A famous scholar named Shaykh Muhammad Tahir stated:
“And it is narrated from ‘Ā’ishah: ‘Say that he is the Seal of the Prophets and do not say: There will be no prophet after him’. This aims at the decent ‘Īsā, and this also does not contradict the ḥadīth ‘There will be no prophet after me’, because he meant that no prophet will abrogate his sharī‘ah.” (Takmilah Majmaʻ biḥār al-anwār fī gharāʼib at-tanzīl wa-laṭāʼif al-akhbār)
Hazrat Maulana Rum(rh) (died 672 A.H.) writes:
The Holy Prophet(sa) is khatam because there neither was nor will be any equal to him in generosity, that is, spreading the blessings… (Miftahul-‘Ulum, by Maulavi Muhammad Nadhir ‘Arshi (Sharah Mathnawi Jalal-ud-Din ar-Rumi(rh), vol. 15, Book 6, part 1, p. 56–57)
Conclusion
All this evidence should make it clear that the whole Muslim Ummah does not disagree on whether prophethood has ended, we all agree that there will be prophethood after Muhammad (SAW), just not any law bearing ones. What we disagree on is on the identity of the latter day Messiah, where many Muslims believe Jesus will literally descend, but we believe that Jesus has passed away and the latter day Messiah will be in the spirit of Jesus in the sense of similarities. Would be interested to hear your arguments.
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2021.11.20 16:28 Entire_Map_4878 I want to ask some questions about the scholars who say that hijab is not mandatory. I hope you’ll answer

Khaled Abou El Fadl, Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, Mufti Abu Layth, Shabir Ally say that hijab is not mandatory. They seem to be very popular in this subreddit and are considered to be trusted scholars here. My questions are→

✪FIRST QUESTION✪

Are these people really scholars? Has any of them studied in renowned Islamic institutions like Medina University, Al Azhar, Darul Uloom Deoband, Zaytuna University etc? Here's what Wikipedia said about their educational backgrounds:
Khaled Abou El Fadl:
Abou El Fadl holds a B.A. in Political Science from Yale University, a J.D. from the University of Pennsylvania Law School, and an M.A. and Ph.D. in Islamic law from Princeton University. Abou El Fadl also has 13 years of instruction in Islamic jurisprudence, grammar and rhetoric in Egypt and Kuwait. After law school, he clerked for Arizona Supreme Court Justice James Moeller, and practiced immigration and investment law in the U.S. and the Middle East. He previously taught Islamic law at the University of Texas School of Law at Austin, Yale Law School and Princeton University.
⊕My Question⊕
•So, can Khaled Abou El Fadl really be considered a scholar? He received 13 years of Islamic instructions somewhere in Egypt & Kuwait. Was it a renowned Islamic Institution like Al Azhar? Or did he just receive private education from someone, or only work with some scholar for 13 years, & then declare himself a scholar?
•You can't become a doctor just by working with a trained doctor for a few years, or just by receiving tutelage privately from a doctor. To become a doctor, you must study in a medical school. You have to graduate from the medical school, only then you can call yourself a doctor. Otherwise you can't. Similarly, if someone wants to become an Islamic scholar, then they need to study in Islamic school & Islamic University. After graduating from there, they become scholars. If Khaled Abou El Fadl didn’t study in any Islamic University (like Al Azhar) & only study under some individual scholar privately, then can he really be considered a scholar? & if he studied in an Islamic institution, what's the name of that institution?
•Also the article says that after law school, he clerked at Arizona Supreme court & practiced immigration and investment laws. Why would an Islamic scholar do this? Why would an Islamic scholar study law & clerk at supreme court? The place of an Islamic scholar is in the mosque, not in the court or lawyer's office. It really makes me suspicious, is he really an Islamic scholar? Why would an Islamic scholar work as a lawyer in Supreme court instead of teaching in mosques & Islamic seminars?
•Another important question, does he have an Izajah? If yes, then from where did he receive it?
•And also, why does he give fatwas on his website? As far as I know, only Muftis have the permission to give fatwas. He is not a Mufti, so where did he get the authority to issue fatwas?
Javed Ahmad Ghamidi:
Ghamidi and his two elder sisters grew up in a Sufi household. His early education included a modern path (matriculating from Islamia High School, Pakpattan), as well as a traditional path (Arabic and Persian languages, and the Qur'an with Nur Ahmad of Nang Pal).[7] His father wanted him to have both traditional and modern education, splitting his time between school and learning Arabic and Persian.[citation needed]
His first exposure to traditional Islamic studies was in the Sufi tradition. After matriculating, he came to Lahore in 1967 where he is settled ever since. Initially, he was more interested in Literature and Philosophy. He later graduated from Government College, Lahore, with a BA Honours in English Literature & Philosophy in 1972.[11]
During his excursions to the library he stumbled on the works of Hamiduddin Farahi, a scholar of Quran. In this work he found a mention of Amin Ahsan Islahi, the torchbearer of Farahi's thought. Knowing that Amin Ahsan Islahi was resident in Lahore during those days, he set out to meet him the very day he had first read his mention. The meeting changed Ghamidi from a man of philosophy and literature to a man of religion.[12] In 1973, he came under the tutelage of Amin Ahsan Islahi (d. 1997), who was destined to who have a deep impact on him. He was also associated with scholar and revivalist Abu al-A‘la Mawdudi (d. 1979) for several years. He started working with them on various Islamic disciplines particularly exegesis and Islamic law.[4]
⊕My Question⊕
•So he didn’t study in any Islamic schools or Universities. He studied in a secular University & graduated in English Literature & Philosophy. He didn’t go to Darul Uloom Deoband Madrasa or any Islamic University. He came under the tutelage of Amin Ahsan Islahi, & worked with another Islamic scholar Abu Ala Mawdudi. But he did not study in any Islamic institution. So I'm just going to copy the example of the doctor again→ "You can't become a doctor just by working with a trained doctor for a few years, or just by receiving tutelage privately from a doctor. To become a doctor, you must study in a medical school. You have to graduate from the medical school, only then you can call yourself a doctor. Otherwise you can't. Similarly, if someone wants to become an Islamic scholar, then they need to study in Islamic school & Islamic University. After graduating from there, they become scholars. If Khaled Abou El Fadl Javed Ahmad Ghamidi didn’t study in any Islamic University & only studied under some individual scholar privately, then can he really be considered a scholar?"
•Also, does he have an ijazah? If yes, then where did he receive it from?
Dr Shabir Ally:
He received his B.A. in Religious Studies from Laurentian University and his M.A. and Ph.D. from the University of Toronto.[8] His PhD thesis was on the exegesis of the Qur'an (Tafsir).
⊕My Question⊕
•These are secular Universities, not Islamic universities. So can it really be considered as proper Islamic education? Thus, can he be really considered a real Islamic scholar? Besides, his PhD is in the tafsir of Quran. Which means he only gets to explain the tafsir of the famous tafsir writers to the people of the mosque, am I right? So why does he talk about fiqh issues like whether hijab is mandatory or not? A cardiologist has no right to perform brain surgery, his field is around the heart. Similarly, a neurosurgeon will not perform open heart surgery, because it's not his field, his field is around the brain. So shouldn’t Shabir Ally stick to teaching tafsir instead of declaring hijab as optional?
•Also, does he have an izajah? If yes, then where did he receive it?
Mufti Abu Layth:
Ajmal studied Islamic theology first in Damascus and then in Karachi, where he memorised the Qur'an.[5] He speaks five languages, including Urdu and Arabic.
Although he is classically trained in the Maliki tradition, Ajmal does not subscribe to any particular school of thought nor identifies with any particular Islamic denomination.[8] Despite his education, he prefers to disregard many of the more traditional codes by which Muftis are expected to abide by
⊕My Question⊕
•So what were these institutions where he received his education? The Wikipedia article provides no mention of the names. But although he is a Mufti, he seems to be a very controversial person. Is he a scholar though? Because a Mufti is not a scholar, a Mufti is only allowed to issue fatwas. According to wikipedia, "A fatwā is a nonbinding legal opinion on a point of Islamic law (sharia) given by a qualified jurist in response to a question posed by a private individual, judge or government". He can only give fatwa if someone asks questions like "if a muslim woman in a western country faces violent threat, then can she remove hijab?". But whether hijab itself is mandatory or not must be decided by the scholars. A Mufti can't pass a fatwa like " hijab isn't mandatory", but he can issue a fatwa like this "when there is violent threat, muslim women are allowed to take off their headscarf" (at least that's what I'm aware of). So, unless he is trained in this side, he can't declare hijab to be not mandatory.
•Besides, does he have an ijazah? If yes, then from where did he receive it?

✪SECOND QUESTION✪

Do their opinions really have any weight? Because there is Ijma of overwhelming Majority scholars that hijab is mandatory. So when there is Ijma on something, then nobody has the right to argue against it as far as I'm aware of. So their opinions automatically get rejected, am I right? So why would you follow their minority opinion, but reject the opinions of majority of the scholars? (& yeah, I know majority of the scholars also declared that slave women are not required to cover their hair, but today there are no more slave women, so all Muslim women are considered free women. Therefore this argument of slave women is irrelevant today. But the argument on the awrah of free women is still relevant, because all are free women today)
That's all I wanted to ask. Waiting for your replies. Thank you
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