2024.05.18 09:20 EliJoy1214 Dr maras - HDC CYPRUS
It's about time to post my review of the HDC clinic in Nicosia Cyprus, where I had my transplant done at the end of October. About 3200 grafts. submitted by EliJoy1214 to HairTransplants [link] [comments] All the pictures are at the end of this post. First, it is important to clarify that I did research for almost six months!!! I checked countless clinics (I think over 50). I spoke and contacted over 700 people from Facebook hairtransplat groups. I contacted with anyone who tweeted something about a clinic and wanted to know everything. I asked people what they thought, were they satisfied ans etc. Many were nice and agreed to share from their experience. I talked to so many people because I didn't want to take any chances. From the one hand I didnt want to to pay chep prices and go to a hair milles like they gave on Turkey, and from the other hand not paying 4-5. euros per graft. Finnaly I choose Hdc clinic in cyprus. small introduction about the clinic and the reason I choose it. Dr. John C*** worked in this clinic - an American doctor, the first to perform fue in Europe and who is considered one of the best known hairtranplent doctors in the world. The doctor who replaced Jhon C*** as the head doctor at HDC was his apprentice at the clinic and who would also become one of the best known doctors in the world - Dr. Bizenga from Belgium. After the departure of Dr. Bizenga, Dr. Maras (who was also an apprentice of Dr. C***), took the reins of the head doctor and he was the one who performed my hairtransplant. We will expand on him later. From here begins nothing less than amazing experience I had with HDC. I discovered that it is no less than one big family. At midnight at the airport, Yogin was waiting for me, a kind driver who later turned out to be married to Janet, one of the nurses who help with the transplant and sort the grafts (I told you - family 😊) As mentioned, I arrived at midnight and from there we drove about 45 minutes to Nicosia to one of the HDC apartments. The clinic has many apartments for patients in the building that is opposite the clinic - just cross the road. The apartment is equipped with everything, huge kitchen (the size of an apartment in itself) with everything you need, living room, TV, etc. I got up the next morning and showed up at 8:00 AM, full of excitement. First I will note that the clinic itself looks very modest - A 3 story building. They don't try to market themselves through a fancy clinic and they don't need to either. Anyone that goes there knows, that they doesn't need to be impressed by the design. I came to receive a premium hairtranplant at medium cost, so what interest me, is the doctor and the staff - where the clinic spares me with nothing. Let's move on to the main part - first I had some photos taken by Janet (whom I told you about before) who is considered the "mother" of the clinic. She is also the one who takes care of everything you need at the apartment. After the pictures, she will move on to assist Dr. Maras with the transplant. I guess there were all kinds of other procedural things that happened and I just forgot because of the excitement. After that is the meeting with Dr. Maras for discussing the hairline. Again, I have to mention that he is an outstanding doctor with great hands, but more important also a lovely person. He project you with his calmness. Even when you drive him crazy with questions, he is always calm and patient. we started talking and thinking about what can and should be done according to my age (43). After a conversation and several drawings and suggestions, we started the process. The thing that everyone was scared me about was the injections. I don't know if I'm already used to pain due to surgeries I've had, but I must say that the injections didn't hurt at all. Just felt like a slight pinch. All the credit goes to whoever is responsible for the anesthetic injections in the head and somehow the only person whose name is lost from my memory. He kept asking me if everything was fine and if it was possible to continue the injections and every time I gave him the same answer "everything is fine, I can hardly feel it". After the anesthetic injections, Dr. Maras begins the procedure of removing the grafts from the back of the head with the hair punching Machine. The grafts are transferred to for sorting/separating into singles by the nurses, Janet whom I told you about earlier, and the equally lovely Crystala. After a short break when to order lunch, Dr. Maras begins to perform the procedure of opening the channels, and then the final step of inserting the grafts after they have been sorted and some of them have been separated into singles. The only thing I had a problem with, was lying in all kinds of positions for many hours (since I have a lot of orthopedic problems this was the only part that was difficult for me) and at the same time the staff was very attentive when I asked to take breaks. The whole procedure takes about 8-9 hours on the first day. On the second day, the same procedure is repeated again. As I mentioned before, I had about 3200 grafts tranplented, most of them singled, which means only about 1600 grafts were tranplented on average per day - which is about half of the amount implanted in other clinics, which shows the clinic's meticulousness and its perfectionism. At the end of the second day, you do not fly home. They don't put you a bandage and send you home. You stay another 5 nights for supervision and for daily washing. After 7 nights, on the day of the flight back to Israel, Janet removes the scabs, equips you with a return home kit and explains to you how you should behave in the coming month. |
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2024.04.23 22:34 ConsciousRun6137 Did Rome ever fall?
In the days before reading and writing were common, symbols conveyed ideas. submitted by ConsciousRun6137 to conspiracy_commons [link] [comments] https://preview.redd.it/4vfisej7gawc1.png?width=835&format=png&auto=webp&s=f912871ad2b06986a6c5740dba3af9060d8f8979 The killing of the bull is symbolic of murdering nature, dominating nature and, let's face it, that is precisely what the Roman Empire, the Venetian Black Nobility and now the Crown Corporation are all about.The Rothschilds and the Rockefellers are NOT the pinnacle of power in the world, despite rumours and propaganda seen daily in social media. It is also erroneous to call researchers and revisionists "conspiracy theorists" or the ideas they have gleaned from their studies "conspiracy theories" .They are doing the best they can with limited time, energy and materials. The internet is as fraught with disinformation as all the universities and schools put together so people can be forgiven for making the mistake of ceasing their search at the level of the banking staff.The Mithras museum, created as part of the new Bloomberg HQ in London, is dedicated to preserving a Temple of Mithras buried deep underground, which gives you a bold clue about what the Crown Corporation and its minions, like Michael Bloomberg, are intending to do with their gluttonous and sickening power. Entrance to this religious dungeon is free of charge and by appointment only. Remember nothing is ever truly free. The expense of this extravagant work has been borne by the Bloomberg fortune for a very good reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg The owners see themselves as members of the future overseers of a grim and horrific control network, aptly symbolised by the deification of Mithras in the modern world. https://londontopia.net/culture/museums/the-temple-of-mithras-londons-new-roman-museum-in-the-new-bloomberg-london-hq/ https://preview.redd.it/wv5kllrigawc1.png?width=768&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9efba48d3735626ecc370d2c4ac65a820634e06 THE ORIGINS OF ROMAN EMPIRE 2.0In his book, The Venetian Conspiracy, Webster Tarpley writes:UncensoredDOGE COIN HAS SOME INTERESTING HISTORY!You all know Lone Skum (he who owns X, the Boring Company, StarLink and Tesla). Did you know that he always promotes a crypto currency called Doge Coin and will accept it in payment for his vehicles? Do you know what a Doge is? Hardly anyone does. The pundits assume it has something to do with a dog due to its logo, but that is an amusing ruse…Read more4 months ago · 51 likes · 56 comments · Frances Leader Venice was the centre of efforts to destroy the advanced European civilization of the 11th and 12th centuries and bears a burden of guilt for the ascendancy of the Black Nobility Guelphs and the black plague. Napoleon forced the end of this vile organism during his Italian campaign of 1797, but the cancer had already infected Geneva, Amsterdam, London and elsewhere. Though the sovereignty of Venice had been extinguished, its methods lived on to the 20th century. We know it as Fascism. Venice is today, through its Cini Foundation and its Societé Europeenne de Culture, the Club Of Rome think tank. Venice is the supranational homeland of the New Dark Ages gang, the unifying symbol for the Utopian lunatic fringe in the international intelligence community today. How did Venice become so hidden and yet powerful?Between 300 and 400 AD the Roman aristocrats who later became infamous: Candiano, Faliero, Dandolo found the islands of Venice lagoons provided an invulnerable refuge when they fled the Goth, Hun and Langobard armies. The main influx of displaced Roman senators came during the raids of Attila the Hun in 452 AD.https://preview.redd.it/syyhit3ygawc1.png?width=474&format=png&auto=webp&s=758eb642012e02441ae2f9e759f0d26bceae394a Venice survived thanks to their alliance with Emperor Justinian in Constantinople, an alliance underlined by intermarriage of Venetian oligarchs with the nobility of Byzantium. Thus, a faction embodying the traditions of the Roman Senate continued beyond the fall of Rome in 476. The basis of Venetian opulence was slavery, practiced against Saracens, Mongols, Turks and Christians. This included Italians and Greeks, who were most highly valued as galley slaves. Germans and Russians were shipped in from Tana. Later, black Africans became popular among the nobility. Islands like Crete, Cyprus, Corfu, Naxos and smaller holdings in the Aegean were worked by slave labour, directly under the Venetian regime. https://preview.redd.it/ajfvux71hawc1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=0bc943ead8c732159e95e48f33875d23080fcb8d Venice became the leading port of the Mediterranean.Indistinguishable from slave operations were piracy and buccaneering, other staples of the Venetian economy. Wars with Genoa or others were opportunities to loot. Piracy was routine commerce during decades of treachery and mayhem.Venetian production from the earliest period was essentially nil, apart from salt and the glass manufacture of Murano. The role of the Venetian merchant was as a profiteer who conned both buyer and seller, backing up his monopolisation with war galleys of the battle fleet. Venice remained impervious to invasion from the first settlement until 1797.In the typology of Plato’s Republic, Venice was an oligarchy, “a constitution according to property, in which the rich govern and the poor man has no share” or “rule of the few, a constitution of evils”. By 1297 all male members of the 150 noble families had the permanent right to a seat in the Gran Consiglio, or Great Council, which grew to 2000 members around 1500 and thereafter slowly declined. They kept ambassadors in all national courts, war ministers and naval officersIn later centuries, the harems of the entire Ottoman Empire, from the Balkans to Morocco, were stocked by Venetian procured slaves. https://preview.redd.it/f2gxpv94hawc1.png?width=220&format=png&auto=webp&s=fa86788c81cf663155ba60144f454e848e8ffe08 Dante visited Venice in 1321. He died shortly after leaving, in fear for his life. He had been forced to follow a path through the swamps which caused him to sicken with malaria. A boat may have been available, but to board it meant certain assassination! Venetian records of the event have conveniently disappeared. What was the Venetian political method?The apparently ‘weaker’ power plays off two or more major empires against each other. First the Langobard Kingdom of Italy was played against the Byzantines. Then they attempted to play the Byzantines off against the Carolingian Empire in the West, which almost misfired. In the 11th century, the Venetians successfully incited Norman barons, operating out of Sicily under Robert Guiscard, to attack Byzantium and then moved in to offer the desperate Byzantines protection. The price for that protection was mentioned in the famous Golden Bull of 1082. It was a decree of the Byzantine Emperor by which Venice acquired customs-free access to the eastern empire, where the Greeks themselves had to pay a tax of 10% on their transactions. Thus began a hatred for Venice among the Greek population which persists to the present day. In the 16th century, Venetian strategy was to play the Ottoman Turks against the Spanish and Austrian Hapsburgs and then to play the Hapsburgs off against the French!https://preview.redd.it/uurpahu7hawc1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=02c9f31175fd0a5ed7fdcc516c81aa7a94b8a618 The Venetians also goaded forces of the East to attack Christendom. Venice was the manipulator of Saracens, Mongols and Turks. In particular, the Venetians were more willing to see territory (except Venetian territory) occupied by Turks than any other power. https://preview.redd.it/56l423eahawc1.png?width=474&format=png&auto=webp&s=720af0c91fa392ce1d694cb9ae0b4661ab7a6bc4 Venice was repeatedly confronted by a triumphant enemy who had to be manipulated to self-destruct, not in any old way, but in a precise and specific way that served the Venetian interests. Does this sound impossible? What is astounding is how often it has succeeded and still does! Effectively, they used their enemies as mercenaries by ensnaring them in debt and offering to cancel the debt if they fought for Venice! From 1203 to 1204, Constantinople was besieged by the joint Franco-Venetian force and Byzantium was sacked in an orgy of violence and destruction. Venice took over part of Constantinople, created a permanent Venetian colony with its own battle fleet. Lemnos, Gallipoli, Crete, Naxos, related islands and the large island of Euboa were annexed. On the Ionian side, the Venetians snatched Modon, Koron and several islands including Corfu. https://preview.redd.it/lun34khdhawc1.png?width=768&format=png&auto=webp&s=14c2697c1a13f990ffe05b4c44c4e382cbf74187 The loot from Constantinople was greater than anything Europe saw until the Spanish fleets from the Americas centuries later! Venice acquired an empire of naval bases in the eastern Mediterranean and the sultan of Egypt bribed them to keep the Crusaders out of Palestine! Bonus! https://preview.redd.it/p2ry93bghawc1.png?width=645&format=png&auto=webp&s=8699831422b4d086bd8559b4d9dd48a3817dc145 Another factor was the Mongol hordes. The Venetians were spies for Genghis Khan guiding them to sack Baghdad.At the time the Venetians were sacking Constantinople, Genghis Khan ruled over an empire from Korea to Iran and which was advancing West. Batu, a nephew of Genghis, defeated the Bulgarians in 1236, captured Ukraine in 1240 & swept into Poland. The Mongols did not go in like reckless barbarians. They advanced according to a careful plan. At every stage, the Mongols were informed by Venetian merchants, like Marco Polo’s father. Later, Polo himself was welcomed at the court of Kublai Khan and became an administrator to the Khan. So the great Marco Polo and the Venetian family from which he came, was responsible for directing Genghis Khan into war against Europe. The omnipresent Venetian intelligence was also a factor in the Mongol destruction of the Arab cultural centre of Baghdad in 1258.https://preview.redd.it/mr46cj4jhawc1.png?width=768&format=png&auto=webp&s=ebe92295b3d0e55e41574a59c72866f2f4c6cc10 Shakespeare’s play “Othello, The Moor of Venice” is an analysis of the Venetian technique.It was written and performed shortly after 1603, when the Venetians and Genoese had acquired power in England through the accession of their puppet James I to the throne. In the play, Othello is hired out to Venice as a mercenary at the apex of his power having just won a victory over the Turkish fleet attacking Cyprus. He enjoys the full confidence of the Senate and has just married Desdemona, the daughter of a patrician. Othello, the moor barbarian, is something of a dumb giant! His proficiency in war is unmatched, but his emotions tend decidedly toward the naive and infantile. He has no insight into affairs of state or psychology. Above all, he is superstitious and is inclined to be jealous. These weaknesses are exploited by Iago, a member of Othello’s staff who intends to destroy him. Iago is like a Venetian intelligence officer, an expert manipulator: "Make the Moor thank me, love me and reward me for making him an ass and practicing upon his peace even to madness." He sets up a fight that leads to a wounding. After this, he manipulates Desdemona’s naive desire to help a friend into prima facie evidence that Desdemona is an adulteress. Iago is then able to goad Othello all the way to killing Desdemona and finally, himself.So we can see that Shakespeare and presumably his audience were familiar with the style and cruelty of Venetian geo-politics. Foundation of a new Roman EmpireThe real danger for Venice by 1600 was a hostile power that developed defences against manipulation and deceit. In the face of such, Venice did, and does kill. The foundation of a new Roman Empire became, in Venice, from the middle of the 15th century on, the leading obsession of the oligarchshttps://preview.redd.it/18f5jtgnhawc1.png?width=538&format=png&auto=webp&s=e3f18e7bc800a4f04cbe759c82fb24cc6f10c306 Machiavelli noted that the two most dangerous forces in Italy around the turn of that century were the Venetians and the Pope. His hatred was directed especially against Venice for wanting to subjugate Italy in a new Roman Empire. He despised Venice for its armies of mercenaries. All Europe turned against Venice.Machiavelli exulted when the Venetians lost everything they had conquered over the preceding 800 years.With nothing left but the lagoons, the Venetian position was desperate due to their reputation for arrogance, violation of promises, lechery and sodomy. The Italian Renaissance during the rest of the 16th century was only one event of several in Europe. Another was the Protestant Reformation.Luther’s real clout was publicity that owed much to the Venetian publishing presses turning out 40,000 copies of his "heretical" writings. Playing both sides of the religious argument against each other the Venetians supported Ignatius Loyola from abject poverty, to Jerusalem and back, until he established the Jesuits who were to become a military force, dedicated to serve the Pope and crush Protestantism.The Venetians sat back & watched the fireworks.\Around 1570 Venice had the first example in Europe of a “salon” for socialising and literary discussion: the Ridotto Morosini, sponsored by the ancient family of the same name. Here the seeds were sown that would later produce free-thinking, l’esprit libertin and the Philosophes.The Venetians initiated the Enlightenment.The Ridotto Morosini salon was in favour of tolerance and science, against everything doctrinaire and narrow. They sheltered Galileo against the Inquisition. Out of the Morosini salon came a rare public faction in Venetian history, the Giovani i.e., the youth.The Giovani wanted profound innovations in Venetian foreign policy. They wished to cement alliances with the countries to whom they felt the future belonged: France, England and the Netherlands. The main supporter of Venice internationally was James I, the Stuart ruler of England and Scotland. Around 1570 Venice had the first example in Europe of a “salon” for socialising and literary discussion: the Ridotto Morosini, sponsored by the ancient family of the same name. Here the seeds were sown that would later produce free-thinking, l’esprit libertin and the Philosophes. The Venetians initiated the Enlightenment.The Ridotto Morosini salon was in favour of tolerance and science, against everything doctrinaire and narrow. They sheltered Galileo against the Inquisition. Out of the Morosini salon came a rare public faction in Venetian history, the Giovani i.e., the youth.The Giovani wanted profound innovations in Venetian foreign policy. They wished to cement alliances with the countries to whom they felt the future belonged: France, England and the Netherlands. The main supporter of Venice internationally was James I, the Stuart ruler of England and Scotland. In 1603, Venice and Genoa teamed up, created a banking dynasty and assumed direction of the finances of Stuart England imparting their characteristic ruthless methods to the British East India Company. The financial centre of old Venice was on the move north.They created the Amsterdam Bank, the financial hinge of the 17th century and the Dutch East India Company.Venice and Genoa were also the midwives for the great financial power growing up in Geneva, which controlled the French public debt and they continued to foster the Enlightenment. The Venetians began a major move into maritime and other types of insurance. These ventures live on today in the biggest business enterprise associated with Venice, the Assicurazioni Generali Venezia, one of the biggest insurance and real estate holdings in the world. On May 12, 1797 the Gran Consiglio of Venice obeyed Napoleon’s ultimatum and voted itself out of existence4,000 French infantrymen paraded where foreign troops had never before in history been seen. The Venetian “Republic” was gone, but it now existed in a more clandestine form. 3,000 Venetian naval personnel, about 1/3rd of their available strength, were serving the British Royal Navy just as the American Revolution began. During the 19th century and onwards, with its military and financial power hidden, Venice’s political power grew greater than ever.Count Coudenhove-Kalergi, founder of the Pan-European Union, lived in Venice and Nietzsche visited. Thomas Malthus plagiarised a Venetian when he wrote his Essay on Population. Plans for destroying the Ottoman and Russian empires, (i.e., WW1) were made by Venice spook Alexander Parvus. Today, the Club of Rome Today, the Club of Rome is the influence that represents the essence of Venetian methods. The Club of Rome convinces people to commit collective suicide by accepting the genocidal doctrine of zero growth. It seeks to abolish sovereign nations and create a totalitarian global state. Perhaps the most daring of plans by the Club of Rome is to financialise nature itself. Climate Change is its most spectacular propaganda.is the influence that represents the essence of Venetian methods. The Club of Rome convinces people to commit collective suicide by accepting the genocidal doctrine of zero growth. It seeks to abolish sovereign nations and create a totalitarian global state. Perhaps the most daring of plans by the Club of Rome is to financialise nature itself.Climate Change is its most spectacular propaganda.Recommended reading:How the Venetian System Was Transplanted Into England by Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D. New Federalist, June 3, 1996 http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/how-the-venetian-system-was-transplanted-into-england/Also: THE EUROPEAN BLACK NOBILITY https://exposingpedovore.wordpress.com/2019/03/03/the-european-black-nobility-2/comment-page-1/ More: WHO ARE THE INTER ALPHA GROUP? https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2010/eirv37n36-20100917/eirv37n36-20100917_024-the_inter_alpha_group_nation_kil.pdf |
2024.04.22 15:14 RAX024 INC Theology and doctrine creates bible contradictions.
Question number one submitted by RAX024 to exIglesiaNiCristo [link] [comments] Is there any contradiction in the bible? The bible shouldn't have any contradiction of itself (verse contradicting the other) nor wrong words in it since I and INC believes it is the exact words of God, now If it's the word of God it should be CORRECT, There shouldn't be any contradiction, its called law of non-contradiction it's defined by theologian James Montgomery "If the Bible is truly from God, and if God is a God of truth (as He is), then. If two parts seem to be in opposition or in contradiction to each other, our interpretation of one or both of these parts must be in error.” Citing Psalm 119:160 ESV 160 The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever. Question number 2 What are the verses that they use to refuse the divinity of Christ and how does it contradics the other passages Deuteronomy 6:4 (ESV) 4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Mark 12:29 (ESV) 29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Here you can see of hear ministers say"EhTo Oh Si CrIsTo na mAy SaBi Na I-iSa laNg AnG DiyOs BaKiT Ka MaNiNiwAlA sA TriNitY eh GinAwA LaNg NaMan yAn Sa CouNciL oF NiCea" Here is where the contradictions starts Here is the Trinity present in the bible that you heretics avoided(Which they're good at) The Father being God Philippians 1:2 (ESV) 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The Son being God John 1:1 (ESV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:18 (ESV) 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. And the Holy spirit. Acts 5:3–4 (ESV) 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you Just a reminder the doctrine of Trinity is not and will not be a DENIAL of 1 God but an explanation that that 1 God has 3 Co-Equal and Co-Eternal persons with each is a distinct person yet each is identified as God. Why is it important for us to accept the deity of Christ? Well here, 1 John 2:23 (ESV) 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 1 John 5:12 (ESV) 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:20 (ESV) 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. INC believes that Jesus is just a human Messiah how does this creates Bible contradictions ? Because even in the Old testament the messiah is not considered as "Just" a human being nor does it speak of the messiah as a mere human being but a God Pslam 45:6 6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness; In reference to Hebrews 1:8 (ESV) 8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. And then continue to name him SPECIFICALLY as GOD WITH US Isaiah 7:14 (ESV) 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Immanuel or Emmanuel (Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל, romanized: ʿĪmmānūʾēl, meaning, "God with us" or "God is with us"; also romanized: Imanu'el; and Emmanouël or Ἐμμανουήλ in Koine Greek of the New Testament) in image 1 The messiah is called A mighty God Isaiah 9:6 (ESV) 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. And being called a Lord Psalm 110:1 (ESV) 1 The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.” The lord is our righteousness in Jeremiah 23:6 (ESV) 6 In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely. And this is the name by which he will be called: ‘The Lord is our righteousness.’ Now in the new testament it will authors of the books(the saints) also speaks of Jesus being active in the old testament 1 Corinthians 10:4 (ESV) 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:9 (ESV) 9 We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents, Hebrews 1:2–3 (ESV) 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. Hebrews 1:8–10 (ESV) 8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.” Jude 5 (ESV) 5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. Moreover the new testament authors applied the Divine יהוה (YHWH) to Jesus. Hebrews 1:10 (ESV) 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; (Citing the passage in Psalm 102:25-27) Psalm 102:25–27 (ESV) 25 Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. 26 They will perish, but you will remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will change them like a robe, and they will pass away, 27 but you are the same, and your years Now this is really confusing since Israel's belief in One God was firmly grounded in the introductory words of shema thw Hebrew confession that includes the central tenents of faith (Deuteronomy 6:4 (ESV) 4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.) in the first century,the early churches belief in one God separates them form the polytheistic practice of the Greco-Roman pantheon (made up of Many gods like Zeus Athena hades etc) Now to explain further and for deeper knowledge when the Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians, he was writing in Greek-speaking people who had to come out of Greco-roman Culture. The scripture the Corinthians with was The greek translation of the old statement(image 2) Septuagint,LXX in 1 Corinthians 8, The Apostle Paul rejects the many " gods" and "lords" of Greco-Roman Culture 1 Corinthians 8:4–5 (ESV) 4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” 5 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”— In reference with Deuteronomy 10:17 (ESV) 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe. When Apostle Paul refers to the Father, he uses the Greek word θεὸς (theos), which in hebrew translation אֱלֹהֵינוּ (ʾĕlōhênû), but he refers to Jesus he husses the Greek word κύριος (kyrios), which in hebrew translate to the word יהוה (YHWH). Look at image 3 (side by side interleniar 1 Corinthians 8:4-5 and Deuteronomy 10:17) We all know that Apostle Paul is a Jew he clearly believeed in the Shema, For people who doesn't know shema it's Shema Yisrael, or the Shema, is the central affirmation of Judaism. The prayer expresses belief in the "singularity" of God, that is, in God's oneness and incomparability. It is traditionally recited twice a day, as part of the morning (Shacharit) and evening (Arvit or Ma'ariv) services. But because of the incarnation which you can read here Philippians 2:5–8 (ESV) 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being … He is also believe that Jesus shared the identity of YHWH (יהוה), The God of Israel. Paul was a monotheist But it ended because of the incarnation that led us to believe and know that Apostle Paul is a trinitarian not only by his writings,words that he used but also in his theology 1 Corinthians 12:4–6 (ESV) 4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. Ephesians 2:18 (ESV) 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. Ephesians 4:4–6 (ESV) 4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Heres another Verse that they also use to disprove the deity of Christ but also the Trinitarian doctrine, and have the Confidence that they're correct in their theology while contradicting the very foundation of Christianity as we know it today. John 20:17 (ESV) 17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ” In this verse INC ministers and members will say "KiTa Mo sA TalATa? na aNg AmA LAng anG dIyoS at HindI si Christo?" And continue to add that even Jesus himself consider him as a God and he even called him greater than I in John 14:28 now how does this Verse contradict the Bible Well first and foremost it contradics the very first chapter and of the Gospel of Apostle John that Jesus is God in John 1:1 (ESV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 NIV [14] The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:18 (ESV) 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. John 12:41 (ESV) 41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him. This will also contradict Jesus several claims to his own deity John 5:17–18 (ESV) 17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.” 18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself John 5:23 (ESV) 23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. John 8:58 (ESV) 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 10:28–30 (ESV) 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” Second it also ignores the fact(Which are the only thing that these heretics are good at) that the Son(Jesus) eternally existed on which you can see on John 1:1 (ESV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 8:58 (ESV) 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 17:5 (ESV) 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. And also became flesh(human) and dwelt among us in John 1:14 (ESV) 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. In Jesus incarnate role as a sinless man 1 John 3:5 (ESV) 5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. Because the Father was functionally(because the Father stayed in heaven and he Jesus became a servant) John 14:28 (ESV) 28 You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. Hence making the Father greater than him in rank and status not in essence(being God) therefore he would humbly acknowledge the Father as his God, because of his incarnation, Jesus can refer to the Father as “my God.” They could also use Acts 2:22-36 where Apostle Peter Consider Jesus being a man attested by God Acts 2:22–36 (ESV) 22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25 For David says concerning him, “ ‘I saw the Lord always before me, for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken; 26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced; my flesh also will dwell in hope. 27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption. 28 You have made known to me the paths of life; you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’ 29 “Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and whis tomb is with us to this day. 30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God raised up, band of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34 For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, i“ ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, 35 until I make your enemies your footstool.” ’ 36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” Yes Apostle Peter did Believe that Jesus was a Man attested by God,But that is not all the believed about Jesus. In the book of Acts ,Jesus has ascended to the right hand of The Father, Now Inc ministers might/will say(KiTa NyO Kahit Si aPosTle PeTer AlAm nA TaO si Jesus At HinDi DiYos) Well lets see on the book of Acts if the books of Acts will agree or disagree with what Acts 2:33 (ESV) 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. Acts 5:31 (ESV) 31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins (How can a "human" as you say forgive sins if he is not God/ Diety?) Acts 7:55–56 (ESV) 55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” (How can a man be at the right side(literally not lower as you imagine) or on the same level of the The Father if he is not God? A Role in which he us Active and Not Passive Show by answering the prayers of Peter to heal, Acts 3:6 (ESV) 6 But Peter said, “I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!” Acts 4:10 (ESV) 10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. Acts 9:3–6 (ESV) 3 Now as he went on his way, he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven shone around him. 4 And falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” 5 And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you Acts 9:34 (ESV) 34 And Peter said to him, “Aeneas, Jesus Christ heals you; rise and make your bed.” And immediately he rose. in his sermon on the day of pentecost,Peter then links calling on the name of the "Lord" to save that only a The Father can do according to these heretics. Acts 2:21 (ESV) 21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’ This is in reference in the book of Joel Joel 2:32 (ESV) 32 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls. To calling on the name on the name of Jesus Acts 2:36–39 ESV 36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” 37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” Reference on Acts 7:59 (ESV) 59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” But peter is not done yet because he Further speaks of Jesus as pouring out the holy spirit which also a Contradiction to INC that God The Father is the only one who can do this Acts 2:33 (ESV) 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. Acts 2:17–18 (ESV) 17 “ ‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; 18 even on my male servants and female servants in., Peter also called Jesus the Author of life Acts 3:15 (ESV) 15 and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses. Which also a Contradiction to INC teachings that God the Father is the only one that can create life but Peter is not done yet he also stated that Jesus is the only name for salvation in Acts 4:12 (ESV) 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” As a Savior Acts 5:31 (ESV) 31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. Citing Acts 13:23 (ESV) 23 Of this man’s offspring God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, as he promised. And also the Judge of of the Living and the dead Acts 10:42 (ESV) 42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. And lastly "Lord of all" Acts 10:36 (ESV) 36 As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all). None of these things could be said of someone who is just a human because that will go againts their shema as Jews. If you don't know what it is Shema Yisrael, or the Shema, is the central affirmation of Judaism. The prayer expresses belief in the singularity of God, that is, in God's oneness and incomparability. It is traditionally recited twice a day, as part of the morning (Shacharit) and evening (Arvit or Ma'ariv) services. Now to further examine Apostle Paul's writings and beliefs let's dig deeper in 1 Peter 3:15 (ESV) 15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, Citing Isaiah 8:13 (ESV) 13 But the Lord of hosts, him you shall honor as holy. Let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. Most of the time in rhe LXX the covenant name for God is (יהוה) is translated as kyrios(Lord), The term "Lord" in the LXX of Isaiah 8:13(above) refers directly to the "Lord of hosts" Peter use the LXX, he inserts"Christ "(messiah), asserting that we should honor him as Lord in second Epistle Peter also clearly calls Jesus "God:""the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ" in 2 Peter 1:1 (ESV) 1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: Citing 2 Peter 1:11 (ESV) 11 For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 2:20 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 2 Peter 3:18 (ESV) 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. Moreover, when Peter confronted Ananias about his sin this is what he said "Why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy spirit You have not lied to man But to God" Acts 5:3–4 (ESV) 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you So meaning to say, To lie to the Holy spirit was to Lie to God. in the book of Acts, th Holy Spirit is not a force but a Person Who not only Can be lied to, But also fills, sends, and speak to people Here speaks Acts 4:8 (ESV) 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders, Acts 13:2 (ESV) 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Acts 21:11 (ESV) 11 And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘This is how the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’ ” Acts 28:25 (ESV) 25 And disagreeing among themselves, they departed after Paul had made one statement: “The Holy Spirit was right in saying to your fathers through Isaiah the prophet: Here sends Acts 13:4 (ESV) 4 So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus. And lied as shown in Acts 5:3-4 so like Paul we can say that Peter was also a Trinitarian in his theology Now onto the other verse that INC uses to contradict the Deity of Christ and also The Trinitarian belief which is 1 Timothy 2:4–5 (ESV) 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, They might say "KeTah NyO? lEtrA Por LetRa naG lInE uP ang ExpLaNaTioN at ThEoLoGy naMin Na Isa Lang AnG Diyos!!(Screams in abuloy)" The contradictions that this gives is, the belief of those who hold the Deity of Jesus also lines up with what the Apostles Paul teaches but again we realize and read Paul said more about the identity of Jesus, The reason why Apostle Paul refers to Christ as a man is because a mediator is a representative between two parties explained in Hebrews 9:15 Hebrews 9:15 (ESV) 15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. This is not a denial of Jesus divinity but an acknowledgement of his incarnation In 1 Timothy 3:16 1 Timothy 3:16 (ESV) 16 Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. In other passage, Paul calls Jesus as our great God and Saviour in Titus 2:13 citing Titus 2:14 Titus 2:13 (ESV) 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:14 (ESV) 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works. To add Paul also describes the Corinthians as those who “call upon [epikaloumenois] the name of our Lord Jesus Christ” we can see it in 1 Corinthians 1:2 citing Acts 2:21 1 Corinthians 1:2 (ESV) 2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours: Acts 2:21 (ESV) 21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’ In the Ild testament "called on" the nema of the Lord(יהוה) is in Joel 2:32 Joel 2:32 (ESV) 32 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls. the Corinthians were people who addressed Jesus as Lord in prayer John 14:14 (ESV) 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it. This was not just something the Corinthians dud as Paul also directs his prayers to Jesus in both 1 Thessalonians 3:13 (ESV) 13 so that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints. And also on 2 Thessalonians 3:5 (ESV) 5 May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the steadfastness of Christ. And To Jesus and the Father 1 Thessalonians 3:11 (ESV) 11 Now may our God and Father himself, and our Lord Jesus, direct our way to you, 2 Thessalonians 2:16–17 (ESV) 16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word. In 1 Corinthians 2:8, 1 Corinthians 2:8 (ESV) 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. Concerning God's wisdom,Paul states, "none of the rulers of this age understood this,for if they had they would not have crucified the Lord of glory". Paul describes Jesus as "the Lord of glory" this is in reference to James 2:1 and Psalm 24:7-8. James 2:1 (ESV) 2 My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. Psalm 24:7–8 (ESV) 7 Lift up your heads, O gates! And be lifted up, O ancient doors, that the King of glory may come in. 8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord, strong and mighty, the Lord, mighty in battle! Question to the Whole INC what man could be described in this way? it would be blasphemous to call anyone the Lord of glory unless they were devine. Now next question Did jesus Become a man? Now because these INC ministers and Their followers operates from Governing assumptions (that God is one Person the Father) that keeps them from arriving at a right conclusion (the Diety of Jesus)), they often engages in fallacious reasoning, For example Now common mistakes that these heretics might say if you use John 1:1-14 to prove the divinity of Christ they might tapdance and say "Oh NAsaN aNg TriniTy jAn? Wala NaMan Eh KahIt SaN Mo HaNapIn Yung Trinity Sa Gospel Of JhOn Wala KanG mAHaHanap Letra por LeTra Pero Iglesia Ni CriStO meron, ISa Pa YunG WoRd nA Theos iS Just Your Hebrew Opion(citing Joe Vintilador)". This simply a stupid and misinterpretation of what Trinitarian believe; Trinitarians don't teach that John1:1 or John 1:14 by themselves teach the Trinity. moreover, Trinitarians don not argue that the word Theos (God) means Trinity. However,the term Theos is used of Jesus in John 20:28 John 20:28 (ESV) 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” And the holy spirit in Acts 5:4 (ESV) 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” Rather than explicitly teaching the Trinity John 1:1 and John 1:14 supports the doctrine of the Trinity as they teach the Eternal Son of God(Jesus) took on Flesh (humanity/became human) and dwelt among us. Now to prove that Jesus pre exist and in his prayer in John 17:3-5, Jesus both refer to his Pre-existance and uses terminology that can only be used about deity John 17:3–5 (ESV) 3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4 I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you However just as with other clear passages in the New Testament that Jesus speak to Jesus' Diety these heretics tries to find a way to get around this using John 17:3 NIV [3] Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. They'll say "KeTah Nyo Si Jesus Nga NaNiwAla Na Isa LanG aNg DiYos At yun Ay aNg Ama" What these heretics fails to highlight or understand(which hirap na hirap sila) is according to Jesus,to have Eternally lofe is to know two persons both the Father and The Son(Jesus) in John 14:6-7 and 16:3 John 14:6–7 (ESV) 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.” John 16:3 (ESV) 3 And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me Now same as Jewish monotheism (unlike unitarianism) could contain the idea that the Messiah was Devine as (stated in this post above) and that together with the creator give life you can see it in John 5:25-26 John 5:25–26 (ESV) 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. This is why Apostle John could also say that God's son, Jesus Christ is "the true God and eternal life 1 John 5:20 1 John 5:20 (ESV) 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. But still otice In John 17:5conversation Jesus is speaking of that glory he shared with the Father before the world existed The words "before the world existed" Shows that Jesus sonship did not begin at his baptism or resurrection (as other unitarian believe) but is an eternal sonship John 1:1 (ESV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. So in therefore John 17:3-5 is an example of a divine,yet incarnate that you can see in John 1:14 John 1:14 (ESV) 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. That the Person, The Son communicating with a divine but non-incarnate Person the Father in heaven. Now did Thomas call Jesus God? In John 20:28 Thomas famously answers the risen Jesus," My lord and my God! "(ho kyrios mou kai ho theos mou). Thomas Statement is from the Old testament in Psalm 35:23, Psalm 99:8 and 106:47 Psalm 35:23 (ESV) 23 Awake and rouse yourself for my vindication, for my cause, my God and my Lord! Psalm 99:8 (ESV) 8 O Lord our God, you answered them; you were a forgiving God to them, but an avenger of their wrongdoings. Psalm 106:47 (ESV) 47 Save us, LORD our God, and gather us from the nations, that we may give thanks to your holy name and glory in your praise. In response to this verse INC heretics might say "Eh YunG mGa TrInItaRiaN IsinAsAntAbi Na YuNg AmA Ang BumUhaY kaY Hesus eh Yada yada yada uhuh Ahah" Since they don't want to accept it theyll make something up and twist the bible but still its Gods words he'll protect it the assumptions that they make will back fire and also strange to say that Trinitarians fail to acknowledge the Father raised Jesus from the dead when its not even a part of the surrounding context in John 20:28. All Trinitarians believe the Father raised jesus from the dead Galatians 1:1 (ESV) 1 Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— But we also recognize that Jesus He would raise himself from the Dead and sinxe Jesus is a sinless man he can't and will not lie correct? John 2:19–22 (ESV) 19 Jesus answered them, z“Destroy this temple, and in three days aI will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple,3 and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking about bthe temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, chis disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed dthe Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken. And That the Holy spirit was also involved / Raised him from the dead Romans 8:11 (ESV) 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. The resurrection of Jesus involved all Three members/persons of the Trinity. The problem about the interpretations and theology of ministers who stumbled on John 20:28 is that Both nouns- Lord (kyrios) and God (theos)—are in the nominative case and are addressed to Jesus here on Revelation 4:11 (ESV) 11 “Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.” Infact Thomas's confession is directed to one Person, Jesus, If jesus was not Devine then Thomas made a serious error but Jeuss made no effort to correct Thomas in his worship yet Peter in Acts 10:25–26 Acts 10:25–26 (ESV) 25 When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I too am a man.” And also Paul in acts 14:14-15 Acts 14:14–15 (ESV) 14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their garments and rushed out into the crowd, crying out, 15 “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men, of like nature with you, and we bring you good news, that you should turn from these vain things to a living God, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all that is in them. And the Angel in Revelation in Revelation 22:8–9 Revelation 22:8–9 (ESV) 8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me, 9 but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those All corrected others for trying to worship them, clearly demonstrating that Worship belongs to God only. the confession of deity here is unmistakable because Jesus accepted Thomas' worship of him in John 20:28 John 20:29 (ESV) 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” Whats more in the book of Revelation,the elders every creature in heaven and upon the earth ascribe universal worship you can read is in Revelation 5:11-14 Revelation 5:11–14 (ESV) 11 Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and This is a reference to John1:29 John 1:29 (ESV) 29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! INC may claim the bible as their authority proudly screaming "we follow the bible" but Reject and distort anything in the bible that they cannot comprehend or go against their Doctrine since it'll go against their heretic view and Faulty doctrine from a GUY who didn't have enough sleep and starving(literally)for validation how does it feel for the very "authority" that you use doesn't agree with you even a single time? INC objections to the Diety of Jesus is nothing new and are based on Misunderstanding of the nature of God( that God is one person) and taking verse out of context(Which is the only thing they're good and also taking money) INC unitarianism is a rationalistic approach (placing their human reasoning na sira sira since kulang sa sleep) above revelation to the text of the bible they may claim the bible as their authority and say " NaNiNiwAlA Ako Sa BibLe" but they still Reject it. It is not the text of the Bible that determines UNITARIAN THEOLOGY but what they THINK is POSSIBLE. The Apostle Paul warned the Corinthians about accepting a Jesus that is different from the Jesus proclaimed by the apostles in 2 Corinthians 11:4 2 Corinthians 11:4 (ESV) 4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. Question can you still consider yourself TRUE and BIBLICAL if the very authority that you use to remove the Diety for Jesus doesn't agree with you and refuse your own theology and doctrine? What will the answer be sir?u/James_Readme Thankyou for reading a super long post about Unitarian beliefs may peace be upon you and your families. |
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