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2024.06.03 23:56 phatcrits Should I forgive my friend's debt?

TLDR: I loaned my friend $3400 9 months ago. He's paid back $250 of it in $10 increments. Should I forgive the rest?
I've known my best friend for 20 years. We've spent time together basically every single week throughout that time, and we usually play games online 1-2 hours a night before bed.
He is financially illiterate. Until recently he never asked me for money, even though he's been homeless twice in that time. I've had other friends ask for money from time to time, usually like $50. Id ask what they actually need to get out of the hole they're in and give them that amount, tell them not to pay me back, and to never ask me for money again. That's never backfired on me. I've never had someone ask me for this much money before.
My friend's mom had brain cancer (she survived and is cured but is left with basically early onset dementia). He had to quit his job and work gigs so he could check on her regularly and drop everything if he needed to go home for her. She was also fired from her job since she wasn't able to perform and at the time wasn't diagnosed yet.
Getting her approved for disability was a drawn out 18 month ordeal. During that time they spent all their money surviving. My friend asked me for $3400, which was 2 months rent. It would pay for the month they were behind, and the month that was currently due.
I initially told my friend that I wanted to be paid back $500 monthly until it's caught up. He said he can't do that. He offered to repay it once the disability back-pay was given to him. I looked through his and his mom's back account and paid his landlord directly, and told him never to ask me for money again.
Eventually they still lost their house and moved into a crappy apartment. Disability was eventually approved and covered the amount they are short each month, so he's financially stable. However, he still hasn't been given back-pay. The case worker said he still needs to ask his mother a question before it's paid out. He called his mother once, and she wasn't able to answer because again she's basically mentally disabled. He's told me he tried calling the worker hundreds of times and can't get through to him. He works from home and there's no office to personally see him at. I've also sat with him twice and tried calling over and over without success. They lawyer that was previously helping him with these issues doesn't represent him anymore because when the case was approved she was paid. He can't afford another one.
Recently he told me he got a new phone. We got into an argument over it. I told him that he's buying luxury personal item while he owes me money. He said that there's no increase to his monthly payment. I told him he's just extended his current phone payment an extra 2 years, and that he could be using that money to pay me back once his old contract expired. He said he didn't think of it that way and apologized. He said he was going to start paying me back in small amounts every chance he gets. He immediately sent me $10, and regularly sends me $10 and $20 since.
The problem is I rarely get to spend time with him nowadays. When I hit him up to get online he'll usually say he needs to work 1-2 more hours today, then at the end of the night I'll get a message from him with money.
I'm not rich by any means. I drive an 11 year old car that probably needs to be replaced this year, and I don't own a home. But the $3400 is kind of meaningless to me. If he paid it in full today it would go back into my savings where it came from. I even recently had a very surprising tax refund of $3000.
Owing money between friends always causes problems. I don't feel like he's taking advantage of me. I just think he's in a shit situation. So should I just forgive it? Should I tell him to pay back just a certain amount and forgive the rest? Like $1000 maybe?
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2024.06.03 22:38 tareekpetareek Shapoorji Pallonji's junk bonds have some creative payouts

Shapoorji Pallonji's junk bonds have some creative payouts
Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/shapoorji-pallonji-junk-bonds

I was confused when I first read about junk bonds. They pay more than regular bonds? Then why are they junk? Well, here’s why:
India’s biggest ever high-yield rupee corporate bond, held by a number of global private credit funds, is casting a spotlight on pockets of stress within the nation’s credit markets. ‎‎‎‎‎ Some holders of the 143 billion rupee ($1.7 billion) note issued last year by Goswami Infratech Pvt are planning to ask the company for sweeteners in exchange for potentially accepting a company proposal to delay a payment, people familiar with the matter said.
This is from a Bloomberg report last month. Junk bonds promise to pay more than regular bonds, but they’re junk because the companies that issue them might just go like “sorry no money for you this month” and you’d sort of have to be okay with it.
In this particular case, Goswami Infratech, an infrastructure company part of the Shapoorji Pallonji group, issued some high-yield bonds sometime mid-last year. It wanted to revise certain terms because it couldn’t make an expected payment. The bond yield was high! 18.75% pa! For context, fixed deposit rates are around 7–8% right now.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a large 150-year old conglomerate. Why are they borrowing money at a rate comparable to that offered by those shady Chinese loan apps? [1]

Debt to repay debt

A company that’s into constructing stuff needs money. That’s perfectly fine. It will borrow money, build a bridge or a building or whatever, collect tolls or sell flats, and slowly repay the money it borrowed with interest. There is a clear one-to-one relationship between the money that it borrowed and the asset that it built. In an ideal world, that is.
In the real world, our company may not be able to repay on time. Maybe the bridge was delayed because it didn’t get environmental clearances on time. Or maybe the flats didn’t sell for the expected prices. So the company has to refinance! Basically, it has to borrow more so that it can use that money to repay the earlier loan, and then repay the new loan instead.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate comprising many capital-intensive companies. At any given point, at least a few of them may need to refinance their existing debt. So instead of having your companies borrow relatively smaller amounts separately, why not just club them all together and borrow a large amount at once?
In June 2023, Goswami Infratech issued bonds worth a huge ₹14,300 crore ($1.7 billion), which were bought mostly by foreign investment firms. Here’s the bond offering document and here’s%20Signed_20230702132807.pdf) the debenture trustee deed. The company borrowed this money primarily to pay off a bunch of existing debts. Only about 2% of the ₹14,300 crore that it borrowed went to its own account, the rest went to make bond repayments for 7 other companies in the Shapoorji Pallonji group.
I think this makes the sweet 18.75% interest make more sense? If you’re borrowing to repay the debt of a whole family of companies, you better be prepared to give out a lot of interest.
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Fire sale?

How is Goswami Infratech even going to repay these bonds? The junk bond money didn’t go into building an asset that it could monetise, it went into repaying past debt. But Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate and has existing assets! So it’s going to sell some off. The bond documents outline exactly what and when:
  1. Ports owned by SP Port Maintenance, Shapoorji Pallonji’s port owning company. By 31 December, 2023.
  2. Afcons Infrastructure, one of Shapoorji Pallonji’s construction companies. By 30 June, 2024. [2]
Goswami Infratech issued the junk bonds in July 2023. Shapoorji Pallonji had to sell off some ports within 6 months of the bond sale, and (part of) a large construction company in another 6 months. If it’s unable to stick to this timeline, Goswami Infratech has to pay an additional interest to the junk bond investors. (That’s exactly what happened with one of the ports—Shapoorji Pallonji took nearly 3 extra months to sell it off, and the investors are now owed an additional 2% interest for those extra months.)
One story of why Shapoorji Pallonji issued junk bonds is that its companies are in big debt and they needed urgent money to pay off that debt. Yes, sure, that’s true and also what they did with the money. But another story is that Shapoorji Pallonji issued those bonds to buy time for it to get the right price for its assets. Not too many eligible buyers in the market for a port, after all.

Get that money out

Typically, the way bonds work is that the issuer, the company that’s borrowing money, pays the investor a fixed coupon every 6 or 12 months. Goswami Infra’s junk bonds though are zero coupon bonds. They don’t pay this fixed interest amount. Instead they pay the full amount owed right at the end.
In theory there isn’t a problem with this. The issuing company likes it because it doesn’t have to scramble for cash every few months. The bond investor doesn’t mind it because she gets compound interest at maturity. With 18.75% interest, that’s a lot.
The problem, of course, is that these are junk bonds! The investor doesn’t want to wait 3 years [3] expecting to get her principal back with that lovely interest only to be hit in the face with the company’s insolvency papers instead.
There’s a sweet spot. Yes, you want the compound interest but you also want some regular payments to be assured that the money’s actually coming back. Some leeway to make those payments is fine, but not 3 years!
Here’s where we’re standing:
  1. Shapoorji Pallonji has to sell some assets within 6 and 12 months of the bonds being issued. It will get cash.
  2. But the junk bonds don’t pay out a coupon like regular bonds. Selling assets can take time and is unpredictable. Being unable to make a coupon payment is a credit default, and the company would rather not go there.
  3. The investors want that asset sale money before the bonds mature. But how?
All bond contracts have a certain safety net for investors. If the bond issuing company does anything “bad”, the investors can do an early redemption and ask for their money back with interest. All such bad things are obviously defined and it’s stuff like defaulting on interest payments, doing something illegal, not sharing its financials, etc.
The important thing here is that there is a legal way for a company’s bond investors to ask for their money back before the agreed term. Sure, such early redemption is meant as a safety net if the company does a bad thing. But I guess the bad thing is optional? Instead of the trigger being “company does bad thing”, the trigger could very well be the opposite—“company does good thing”.
That’s how the junk bond investors are getting their money before the bonds mature even though the bonds are zero coupon. They have early redemption clauses in the contract that when Shapoorji Pallonji sells off any of a bunch of its assets, it would have to give that money to the investors.
A snippet of the different ways the junk bond investors could get some of their money back before maturity.
The bond investors are using early redemption clauses to ensure some safety too. For instance, the payment that Goswami Infratech missed that I quoted at the beginning of this article—that was an early redemption triggered because Shapoorji Pallonji had been unable to refinance another debt in time. It didn’t have anything to do with asset sales or the junk bond money at all. All it meant was that if Shapoorji Pallonji was having trouble refinancing its debt, the risk for our bond investors goes up too and they’d like some money to reduce that risk. [4] For now, Goswami Infratech has negotiated an extension.
Honestly, I haven’t read a lot of junk bond contracts to know enough, but the early redemption route looks like a pretty smart way to get some money out. Of course, whether this smartness pays off or not would depend on how much money the investors end up making at the end of all this.
Footnotes
[1] Okay, Chinese loan apps actually did sometimes go much, much higher, sometimes even up to 200% (?!) interest, according to this article. But come on, 18.75% on bonds worth $1.7 billion is pretty crazy.
[2] Shapoorji Pallonji isn’t planning on selling Afcons entirely, it’s going to do a stake sale in an IPO.
[3] The bonds mature in April 2026.
[4] The debt I’m referring to here is that of Sterling Investment Corporation, another of Shapoorji Pallonji’s companies which seems to be dedicated to just raising debt. The deal the investors had here is that if Shapoorji Pallonji had been able to refinance this debt at the original interest rate by 26 May, that’s perfectly fine. But if it has to borrow at a higher interest, the junk bond investors would immediately get an early redemption of ₹1,400 crore + the interest rate of the junk bonds would be revised to match whatever the company was paying for Sterling’s refinancing.
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2024.06.03 21:53 LankyFella21 Buying a flat in South Wales to live in for two years

I'm a 23 year old guy who just finished medical school in the UK and I'm moving about 40 mins away from home to start work. I wanted time ask if it would be a good idea to buy an apartment in the city I will be working in. I am contracted to work for 2 years and do not plan to stay afterwards for further training. I'll be making around £30k base salary (although likely closer to £40k after overtime, OOH and locum work). I have found a few apartments between £95-110k that I like and they are close to the hospital. I have around 8k saved and plan to commute from home to build up my deposit. I do not want to live at home for too long as I do not enjoy commuting/driving long distances.
Is it worth buying with the intention on renting it out after 2 years, or should I just rent? Renting is slightly more expensive than a mortgage repayment but obviously with less commitment, and I’d like to get in the housing ladder soon.
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2024.06.03 21:22 LankyFella21 Buying a home to live for 2 years

I’m a 23 year old guy who just finished medical school in the UK and I’m moving about 40 mins away from home to start work. I wanted time ask if it would be a good idea to buy an apartment in the city I will be working in. I am contracted to work for 2 years and do not plan to stay afterwards for further training. I’ll be making around £30k base salary (although likely closer to £40k after overtime, OOH and locum work). I have found a few apartments between £95-110k that I like and they are close to the hospital. I have around 8k saved and plan to commute from home to build up my deposit. I do not want to live at home for too long as I do not enjoy commuting/driving long distances.
Is it worth buying with the intention on renting it out after 2 years, or should I just rent? Renting is slightly more expensive than a mortgage repayment but obviously with less commitment.
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2024.06.03 21:17 ThrowRA_TXvsCA My (29F) spouse (30NB) and I are in dire financial straits. I want to move back to my family in my home state to rebuild, but my spouse would be devastated if we did. How do I approach this issue/plan?

Long-time Reddit listener, first time poster.
I (29F) have been married to my spouse (30NB) for 2 years, together long distance for 8 years prior to marriage. We are polyamorous and live with one of my spouse's partners, roommate/RM (35NB).
About a year and a half ago, we decided to combine our households to be a family unit in California. RM is very financially independent and stable. I wasn't financially the most responsible (poor budgeting, a fair amount of debt, but good military pay made up for it). My spouse is reliant on both RM and I, having been out of work for many years due to immigration and poor health. Things were alright at first, but it took a turn for the worst in October.
I was in the military, and was underway for a majority of that year. I left my finances to my spouse. RM also left their finances to my spouse for their own reasons. However, due to a bad combo of medication and their mental health conditions, my spouse lost all impulse control that resulted with RM 60k+ in the hole. I took out a personal loan of 20k to fix their credit cards and avoid hitting their credit score. I signed a contract to repay the remaining 40k+ over 3 years. I was planning to get out of the military and pursue college (I didn't want to be in the military after marriage), but I did reconsider it due to our situation. Spouse and RM assured me that we could make it work without me in the military, so I left.
However, things have not been working. It has taken a lot of time for me to get my education benefits rolling and the job market has been awful in CA. My spouse has tried to look for work, but they have also made excuses that their health and foreign resume doesn't help matters and don't seek employment assistance like I have. We have had to rely on RM. RM has given a deadline of being able to support ourselves and have paid at least 3k to debts by end of August (3k because we haven't been paying contract payments and they have had to cover our expenses).
Looking at the numbers, there is no way we are going to meet this deadline. And even if we did make the deadline, we would be living on a razor's edge. My debt and debt payments have tripled. I don't want to live in this uncertainty anymore. I want to return home to Texas, where my family is. They are much more stable and could help us get on our feet so I can tackle this financial situation more effectively.
However, when I brought up potential back-up planning to my spouse last week, they were extremely upset and thought that it meant we weren't giving our all to making this work. I would love if we could stay together, but we can't afford to, and I don't want to string RM along and drain them further. I want to end this living situation and regroup in a place I know I have support, until we are on our feet and able to pursue what we want together again.
I know my spouse doesn't want to live in Texas. Texas is not suitable for someone as atypical as them in gender, sexuality, disability, appearance, and mental health. My family has been loving and kind to my spouse thus far, but I do wonder if they will be forgiving once they know the full scope of the situation (my family doesn't know the full story, but they do have an idea things are bad). If we were to move, I worry that my spouse will spiral, potentially to the point of suicide, which I obviously don't want. But my spouse has been resistant and upset with these conversations before - the idea of this family failing hurts them.
I know I have failed a lot in this relationship and household. I gave up agency and control to appease my spouse. I wasn't responsible enough. But I want to be, and I think going back to Texas is the responsible move.
I want to give my spouse the life they want that will make them the happiest. But we can't afford it right now. I want to stay with RM because RM and my spouse are good together and I care for RM, but we are a drain on them and need to be honest so RM can make decisions best for themselves. This is an emotionally tangled issue, and I want to put my foot down, lay out the reality of it, and push for us to part ways and move to Texas. But I know it will break my spouse's heart and spirit. But I think this is the right thing for us all and for our futures. Am I right in this line of thinking? How do I approach such a conversation when my spouse will most likely be against it/upset by it?
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2024.06.03 20:21 abal94 Auto loan interest/profit rate is calculated for the customer to pay more in first months of repayment?!!!!

I looked everywhere on the internet and can’t finds any advice/answers to this.
I have to repay my auto loan early due to a total loss from the recent flooding.
I have only had the car for 3 months. I pay equal payments of around 3k a month. Total principal amount is about 160k.
However when I requested liability letter I found that the bank is asking for 165k. Their reasoning is that I have to pay more profit/interest in the first few months rather than equal distribution throughout repayment term.
To make this simpler, i understand that if i owe the bank 100k + 20k for profit that would mean I have to repay that amount over 10 months as: 120k / 10 months = 12k a month ( 10k (vehicle value) + 2k (profit rate).
What the bank is saying is considering the above example my repayment will remain 12k a month but rather than ( 10k (vehicle margin) + 2k (profit margin), it will be:
( 6k (vehicle margin) + 6k (profit margin).
With the above the bank will reduce the profit margin month on month to ensure i still pay 12k a month for 10 months. But they make sure they collected as much profit as possible in the early stages of the contract.
Which in my case is not fair when I repay early.
This is not mentioned in the contract, only in the payment schedule. Any idea if this is legal or fair?
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2024.06.03 18:32 fire_pepper To cat or not to cat? (me 30F, partner 31M)

The background: I grew up with a cat that I was very attached to, it was a huge comfort when my parents split when I was 6 and I loved it deeply. When my stepdad joined our family when I was 8 he kicked our cat physically and often, as well as stopped letting it in the house. Understandably said cat ran away. I was heart broken. My mum and stepdad then bought a cat for my half brothers approximately 10 years later, and while I lived with them after leaving uni and doing my training, I loved it. I definitely notice a huge improvement in my mental health when I'm around cats, I love them so much, and I get so much comfort out of them.
My partner and I have been together for 12 years. He also had a cat in his family home, which he loved, and we've talked often about how nice it would be to have a cat. When we moved in together 4 years ago, I wanted to ask the landlord if we could get a cat, but my partner objected, rightly so, because it was a flat without a garden and because it was a rolling monthly contract with no guarantee that we could find somewhere else pet friendly if we were kicked out. I understood and said that I agreed but would love a cat if we were to buy a house.
We are buying a house next week.
Current context: I was diagnosed with a disability last year that makes leaving the house to socialise quite difficult (though I manage most weeks, I get lonely as I'm an extravert who is quite emotionally needy). I work from home full time, but my partner doesn't, and he has lots of hobbies outside the home, so I am alone a lot. I'm in pain a lot. It caused a lot of conflict, and we came close to breaking up due to concerns about this and about finances as there was a period I was out of work. I have since found stable employment and a regular income. His upbringing was challenging, and his parent's relationship with each other was abusive financially, emotionally, and physically. For this reason he is quite scared of commitment and combining ownership of anything. I love him and wish he could heal from this fear, but recognise that it's something he lives with, so we discuss boundaries around money and commitment a lot (e.g. no marrige, up to now no joint account, now we have a joint account very clear rules around the use of it). Through couple's therapy across 6 months, we made incredible progress, leading to us buying a house together that we're moving into next week. My pregnancy was welcomed but not planned, and has come significantly sooner than expected (there's less than a 5% chance I should be pregnant right now). Within a year, we went from 12 years of basically nothing significant happening between us, with all the developments being professional ones, to one year of almost breaking up, connecting deeper than ever, buying a house, getting pregnant, and moving out of our city.
The new house is in a town I know no one. I am currently pregnant, and my hormones are going wild, and I want a cat with a ferocity that feels unstoppable. I want to buy a cat in the next two months.
My partner started by saying no, that this was ridiculous and impulsive and irresponsible. I said I knew it would be mad to buy a cat like, today, but that I thought the next few months would be okay. He then said we couldn't afford it; I explained how I could using a tax repayment. He then said we needed a "proper budget". I asked if he meant a spreadsheet and he said yes, and I pointed out I had made one and that he hadn't engaged with it at all. He then said that I could buy a cat as long as I paid for it and all bills associated with it by myself, not from the joint account. I agreed and began making enquiries. He freaked out when I told him this and said he didn't want a cat at all and he wouldn't do anything to help with it, including refusing to give us a lift to the vets if we needed it. I pointed out this wasn't news to him and that he's always known I want a cat, he said he doesn't want one and won't support it. I explained if I knew there was something that meant a lot to him and we could afford to do it, I wouldn't hesitate, and didn't understand why he is being so rigid, and that he has loved every cat he's ever met and has wanted one in the past.
I suspect that this reaction is a fear based one due to so many changes so quickly. I have deep empathy for him, because I also feel a bit like I have emotional whiplash from the past year. But I also feel like I really need comfort, and that we will be infinitely happier with a cat. In my head there's this wonderful script where we are both so excited and we go and collect a little kitten we've chosen and weep with joy together and play with it together and just feel all the wonderful love hormones. It's really stressful and confusing to me met with so much fear and rejection.
Do I do the thing I need, and buy a cat myself knowing he won't let himself love it? Or do I listen to what he needs (which I suspect is time to process all the changes) and let it go for a few years, knowing that I'll be lonely and isolated and in lots of pain and going through all of these hormonal changes without a darling beloved fluff monster to snuggle with while my partner is out?
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2024.06.03 16:02 bimasevakendra Life Insurance: Safeguarding the Family's Financial Future

Life Insurance: Safeguarding the Family's Financial Future
Life is full of surprises—some joyous, others challenging. While we can't predict the future, we can prepare for it. One of the best ways to ensure the financial stability of one’s family, no matter what life throws your way, is through life insurance.
Planning for the Unexpected: How Life Insurance Can Safeguard Your Family's Financial Future
This guide will help you understand how Life Insurance is a vital part of one’s financial planning.
1. Understanding Life Insurance.
Life insurance, a contract between an insured and an insurer, where in exchange for regular premiums the insurance company provides a payout to the beneficiaries upon one’s passing or maturity of the policy.
It ensures that your family won't have to worry about financial hardships if something happens to you.
2. Why is Life Insurance Important ?
We all hope for the best, but it's wise to prepare for the worst. Unexpected events, like accidents or sudden illnesses, can shake a family's financial foundation. Life insurance acts as a safety net, ensuring your loved ones will be financially protected, even in your absence.
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There are various forms of life insurance present to fulfil your needs, namely –
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5. Potential Threats to your protection
The claim settlement of your safety net may be threatened by a claim rejection, delay in claim process or lapsed insurance policy due to a missed payment.
For any and every such threat, there are subject matter experts to deal with all Insurance related issues, claim rejection-related issues or reinstating lapsed insurance policies.
Conclusion
Life insurance isn't just about money- it's about security, stability and contentment that your family’s financial future is secure. In challenging times, remember you have someone to fight on your behalf. So, don’t carry the burden alone.
By following this guide, you'll be well-equipped to make well-briefed decisions about life insurance.
Don't wait—start planning today!
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2024.06.03 14:15 spunchy M&B 2024 Lecture 6: Federal Funds, Final Settlement

M&B 2024 Lecture 6: Federal Funds, Final Settlement
For our schedule and links to other discussions, see the Money and Banking 2024 master post.
This is the discussion thread for Economics of Money and Banking Lecture 6: Federal Funds, Final Settlement.
This lecture describes how the money market can help allocate reserves among banks to allow them to meet their daily settlement obligations. This works just like in Lecture 5 when the clearinghouse members borrowed from each other to be able to settle at the end of the day. The title of the lecture is a bit strange because you borrow in the money market to delay final settlement.
The "Fed Funds" market is what we call the part of the money market where US banks lend reserves to each other overnight. Since 2008, US banks have enough reserves that they don't regularly borrow reserves from each other anymore. But financial institutions do still use the money market. And the principles of the money market that we explore in this lecture are still valid today.
Through the lens of the money market, this lecture highlights the distinction between dealers and brokers as well as the distinction between payment and funding. These topics will come up again and again throughout the course.
Perry Mehrling says:
The relative importance of the various money markets has changed since the 2008 crisis—Fed Funds is now less important—but the conceptual framework remains valid, indeed not only for dollar money markets but also for non-dollar money markets.
Below is a 2017 article from the Cleveland Fed "Economic Commentary" that describes how the Fed Funds market changed between 2008 and then.
In this environment, the institutions willing to lend in the federal funds market are institutions whose reserve accounts at the Fed are not interest-bearing. These include government-sponsored entities (GSEs) such as the Federal Home Loan Banks (FHLBs). The institutions willing to borrow are institutions that do not face the FDIC’s new capital requirements and do have interest-bearing accounts with the Fed. These include many foreign banks. As such, the federal funds market has evolved into a market in which the FHLBs lend to foreign banks, which then arbitrage the difference between the federal funds rate and the rate on IOER.
Instead of a market that facilitates payments, the Fed Funds market looks more like a market for regulatory arbitrage. If all reserve accounts were interest-bearing and faced the same capital requirements, we might not have a Fed Funds market at all.
Before the financial crisis, the federal funds market was an interbank market in which the largest players on both the demand and supply sides were domestic commercial banks, and in which rates were set bilaterally between the lending and borrowing banks. The main drivers of activity in this market were daily idiosyncratic liquidity shocks, along with the need to fulfill reserve requirements. Rates were set based on the quantity of funds available in the market and the perceived risk of the borrower.
Next is a blog post from 2022 by Daniel Neilson that reflects on the Fed Funds market as the Fed raises interest rates.
For example, Minsky noted that if banks could easily borrow in the fed funds market, they would be less inclined to hold precautionary levels of unborrowed reserves. At a systemic level, the same amount of reserves would support a larger amount of credit, reducing systemic liquidity. The longer the boom has gone on, the more time this process will have had to play out, and so the more fragile financial arrangements will be.
Minsky observed that the money market is a system of "just-in-time" reserves. As long as the money market is functioning, banks don't need to hold any reserves to make the payments system go. But this forces the payments system to become dependent on the money market. The fact that today's banks have lots of excess reserves reinforces the idea that today's Fed Funds market is not the money market that Minsky was describing. It's doing something different.
Also from Perry Mehrling:
The lectures were developed over 15 years and filmed fall 2012, and much has changed since then, in particular strong regulatory shift to secured away from unsecured credit. Still interbank lending is key to creating one big bank, now globally and secured.
Even if domestic US banks no longer need the money market, there remain other institutions that do. Non-bank financial institutions, foreign banks, corporations, and governments all use the money market. Lecture 7 will examine the market for repurchase agreements (repo), which is the modern money market. Repo is a form of money-market lending secured with collateral.

Part 1: FT: European Bank Deleveraging

From a balance sheet perspective, capital—in the sense of "net worth"—is just whatever assets are not offset by liabilities. The idea of having a capital buffer to "absorb" losses just means that you have extra assets available to cover your liabilities if some of your assets lose their value. The amount of extra assets you're required to hold is going to depend on the quality of your assets and the likelihood that you'll have to write them down/off.
Here's the set of balance sheets that Perry draws on the board:
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These balance sheets are a little confusing because they don't actually show capital increasing. What they show is banks' assets being replaced with cash, which will allow their balance sheets to shrink back down, thereby allowing their existing capital to take up a greater proportion of their balance sheet. They're hoping to deleverage their existing capital.
The next step is to actually shrink the balance sheet on both sides:
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Here, banks are allowing previous loans to be repaid without issuing new ones (A), which leads to a shrinkage of both loans and deposits. At the same time, banks are repaying their short-term debt using cash (B). They possibly received the cash from the sale of property loans shown in the previous set of balance sheets.
This part of the lecture also introduces the distinction between three different segments of the money market:
  • Fed Funds
  • Repo
  • Eurodollars
There is really just one money market. These are all different aspects of the same money market. And today's money market largely operates through repo.

Part 2: What are Fed Funds?

The Fed Funds market is a market for banks to borrow reserves (deposits at the Fed) from each other overnight. It does not involve borrowing from the Fed itself. Fed Funds represents an expansion of credit within a single level of the hierarchy.
Before 2008, the Fed indirectly targeted the Fed Funds rate to speed up and slow down the economy. A higher Fed Funds rate would correspond with tighter credit and a lower Fed Funds rate would correspond with easier credit. For a few years after 2008, the Fed Funds rate was stuck at zero. Since then, the Fed Funds rate has risen and fallen, but the mechanism has changed. Instead of adjusting the amount of reserves in the banking system, the Fed just pays interest on the reserves that the banking system holds. You're generally not going to lend reserves at a rate that's lower than what you can get by holding onto them.
Here's a description of Fed Funds and interest on reserves from the New York Fed, frozen in time from 2013:

Part 3: Payment settlement versus Required Reserves

According to Stigum, banks use the Fed Funds market to achieve two main objectives: settling with the Fed at the end of the day and meeting reserve requirements.
After 2008 though, banks were so over-stuffed with reserves that there was never any danger of failing to meet reserve requirements. The banks were no longer reserve-constrained.
After Covid hit in March of 2020, the Fed removed reserve requirements altogether.
The lecture suggests that the Fed Funds market is still marginally useful for daily settlement in the payments system. I'm not convinced.

Part 4: Payment elasticity/discipline, Public and Private

During the day, banks make payments to each other through the Fed's Fedwire payments system. This system allows banks to pay via overdraft if they run out of reserves. If Bank A pays Bank B using a daylight overdraft at the Fed, that automatically adds new reserves (actual money) to Bank B's deposit account at the Fed.
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This is called a Real-Time Gross Settlement System (RTGS) because the payment happens immediately (real-time), and it can happen through a balance-sheet expansion (gross) when insufficient existing reserves are available. The one-big-bank credit-based payments system from Lecture 5 was another example of an RTGS.
But Fedwire doesn't accept gross settlement forever. The Fed's daytime balance-sheet expansion is meant to automatically collapse back down at the end of the day when all the banks settle with the Fed.
The expansion of overdrafts during the day highlights the credit-based nature of the payment system. This is perhaps closer to how the payment system worked prior to 2008. Since 2008, the part of the payment system that the Fed interfaces with directly has looked less like this.
As you can see in the below chart, the volume of daylight overdrafts tanked after 2008.
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We can compare this to bank reserves, which were on the order of $42 billion pre-crisis and were recently closer to $1.5 trillion before starting to blow up even further in March and April of 2020.
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It seems that US commercial banks aren't coming up against the settlement constraint as much these days. This tension is perhaps being pushed to other parts of the system. US Commercial banks may have plenty of reserves, but perhaps there are other institutions that might not.
The Clearing House Interbank Payments System (CHIPS)
CHIPS is a private clearing system run by The Clearing House, which is the modern name for what was originally the New York Clearing House Association we discussed in Lectures 3 and 5. Daytime expansion and contraction of credit happens on the balance sheet of CHIPS as well.
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Instead of overdrafts, members post collateral at the beginning of the day and record due to's and due from's throughout the day.
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Unlike reserve deposits at the Fed, banks don't treat the liabilities (due from's) of CHIPS as reserves/money. This means that CHIPS is not an RTGS. Banks wait until the end of the day to clear with CHIPS and settle their remaining cash commitments over Fedwire. That's when the reserves actually flow. The Fed sits above CHIPS in the hierarchy of money and credit.
As of 2017, in addition to CHIPS, the Clearing House also provides an RTGS called Real-Time Payments (RTP). And the Fed launched a 24/7 RTGS called FedNow in July 2023.

Part 5: The Function of the Fed Funds Market

In a closed system, the payments surpluses and deficits at the end of the day always net out to zero. The surplus and deficit agents just need to find each other. That's what the money market facilitates.
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The creation of a Fed Funds loan moves reserves from a surplus agent to a deficit agent.
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Below is a set of balance sheets that shows how daylight overdraft payments cause an expansion of the Fed's balance sheet that then contracts back down again after the deficit agent (Bank A) borrows reserves in the Fed Funds market.
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Notice that the Fed Funds loan remains. At the end of the day, the expansion of credit is still there. It's just no longer on the balance sheet of the Fed.
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From the lecture notes:
To appreciate the importance of this constraint at the end of the day, it is useful to appreciate the way that banks are allowed to relax the survival constraint during the day. Indeed that violation is essential for the smooth working of the payments system because it allows banks to be the “first mover”, to make payments before they receive payments. The institutional form that violation takes is the “daylight overdraft”.
But it's also true that Bank A could have borrowed in the Fed Funds market first instead of paying via overdraft only to borrow Fed Funds to repay the overdraft later.
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In the first case, the Fed's balance sheet expands and then contracts back down. In the second case, the Fed's balance sheet stays the same size throughout.
In either case, Bank A has "paid" Bank B by promising to pay the next day. The asset Bank B receives as payment is a Fed Funds loan instead of reserves.
Stigum makes a point that some banks are natural sellers of funds and others are natural buyers. Put another way, the regular business of some banks causes their daily cash inflow to exceed their daily cash outflow, and for some other banks it is just the reverse. Concretely, it seems that the former are small banks in isolated areas that don’t face much demand for loans, while the latter are large city banks that can lend out all their deposits plus more. So the Fed Funds market channels excess funds from the country banks to the city banks. Viewed in this way, we can think of the Fed Funds market as analogous to the older pattern of correspondent banking. This country-city flow was largely intra-regional in the past, and so it remains today. (The regional character of correspondent banking is reflected in the location of the 12 Federal Reserve Banks.)

Part 6: Payment versus Funding: an example

Here are the balance sheets from the mortgage example in the lecture.
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These balance sheets show HSBC starting with reserves. But all of this can still work if nobody starts with any reserves. The necessary reserves can be created through daylight overdrafts to be eliminated at the end of the day.
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I've left out the balance sheet of the Fed. In the background, the Fed acts as an intermediary, expanding and contracting reserves and overdrafts by expanding and contracting its balance sheet on both sides.
After all this is done, Citibank has a mortgage loan asset that is funded by overnight money. Clearly this is not ideal funding, and the bank has some more work to do, but we leave that aside for the moment to concentrate on the payment rather than the ultimate funding. (The issue of ultimate funding is centrally addressed in Lecture 17.)
Notice that the seller of the house is indirectly funding the mortgage loan to the buyer of the house. This might seem strange. But it's really just an extension of the swap of IOUs. When I borrow from a bank, I am funding my own loan.
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Payments, on their own, can benefit from a temporary expansion of credit that then contracts back down once the payment is complete. Funding is an expansion of credit that remains on the books for a period of time to allow someone to establish and maintain a position on their balance sheet. For example, if I invest in a project that's expected to provide a return over time, I might take out a loan to fund that project.
In this case, from the perspective of the home buyer's balance sheet, the mortgage is a long-term loan that funds ownership of the house. And from the perspective of Citibank, the Fed Funds loan funds the ownership of the mortgage.
Because HSBC is both borrowing and lending Fed Funds, that makes HSBC like a dealer in the Fed Funds market. Dealers are going to continue to come up in this course. The home-buying example shows the mechanics of how HSBC might act as a dealer in the Fed Funds market. The key thing to remember about dealers is that they act as both buyers and sellers in the market. If there are plenty of dealers in a market, then there's always someone to buy from and always someone to sell to (at different prices). In other words, the market is liquid.
If there's nobody to buy from and nobody to sell to, then there is no market. So, in the sense that dealers offer to do both, they're "making markets."
Withdrawing Lots of Cash
Just for fun, let's look at what happens if you withdraw your deposits in cash after selling the house:
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Chase's balance sheet has contracted, and you end up holding liabilities of the Fed (cash) as money.
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This is what we called an "internal drain" in Lecture 5. The Fed can always handle this kind of thing because it can issue the cash that everybody is shifting into. Moreover, the Fed can help out the banks who lose their deposit funding by replacing that funding themselves or by ensuring that those banks can borrow in the money market.

Part 7: Brokers versus Dealers

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The Fed Funds market was never really a dealer market, in the sense that nobody made a business out of simultaneously borrowing and lending in the Fed Funds market to profit from the interest rate spread. If a bank was both borrowing and lending Fed Funds at the same time, it was usually just a side effect of some other activity.
For present purposes, the important point is that dealing activity expands the balance sheet of the dealer, while simple brokering does not.

Part 8: Payments Imbalances and the Fed Funds Rate

The money market helps the balance sheet of the Fed shrink back down. But it doesn't shrink overall credit. The credit just moves off the balance sheet of the Fed and CHIPS and onto the balance sheets of the private banks and the money-market borrowers and lenders.
Payment imbalances (after netting) in a reserve-constrained system manifest as an expansion of balance sheets in the money market.
Because the Fed Funds market is a market, the Fed Funds rate is a market rate. It is not a single rate but an average of all the rates banks pay in the market.
The Fed participates in the money market in various ways. Primarily, they offer standing borrowing and lending facilities. There are prices at which the market can always borrow from the Fed through, for example, the discount window, or the standing repo facility. There are also prices at which the market can lend to the Fed, such as the overnight reverse repo facility. These facilities are set at fixed rates. If the money-market rate moves away from the Fed's standing rates, nobody will go to the Fed.
The Fed does not technically participate in the Fed Funds market because the Fed Funds market is defined to be a part of the money market that's not on the balance sheet of the Fed. It's also unsecured. The Fed's standing facilities require collateral.
The Fed also participates in the open money market at the market rate to manipulate the quantity of reserves in the system. These actions are called "open-market opertaions," and they normally use repo—i.e. collateralized money-market lending and borrowing.
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Part 9: Secured versus Unsecured Interbank Credit

The mortgage loan is secured by the house as collateral. If you fail to pay the mortgage, the bank takes your house. Fed Funds lending, on the other hand, is unsecured. There is no collateral.
While it's true that nobody is pledging (or taking) collateral, the banks are in a network, and they know each other. They're always keeping track of their exposures, and they impose limits on how much they want to lend to any given counterparty. They keep a diversified portfolio of Fed Funds lending.
When people stop trusting each other, they stop lending unsecured.
Repos are a form of secured money-market lending that often has Treasury Bills as collateral.

Part 10: Required Reserves, redux

Mehrling says that reserve requirements are the least important part of how banking works. If there's always a price at which banks can borrow their needed reserves, then what matters is that price, not the reserve requirements. This was true even before 2008. Since 2008, banks don't typically need to borrow reserves anyway. They hold excess reserves well above the requirements.
Not every country even has reserve requirements. And, as of the Covid crisis, neither does the United States. It's not clear to me whether this made much of a difference or whether reserve requirements will ever be coming back.
In a world of modern (and global) finance with shadow banking and market-based credit creation outside of the commercial banking system, it can be a challenge to regulate credit creation/expansion.
Please post any questions and comments below. We will have a one-hour live discussion of Lecture 5 and Lecture 6 on Monday, June 3rd, at 2:00pm EDT.
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2024.06.03 10:36 tareekpetareek Shapoorji Pallonji's junk bonds have some creative payouts - a fun read about a slightly niche but interesting financial topic

Shapoorji Pallonji's junk bonds have some creative payouts - a fun read about a slightly niche but interesting financial topic
Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/shapoorji-pallonji-junk-bonds (my newsletter Boring Money. If you like what you read, do visit the original link to subscribe and receive future posts directly in your inbox)

I was confused when I first read about junk bonds. They pay more than regular bonds? Then why are they junk? Well, here’s why:
India’s biggest ever high-yield rupee corporate bond, held by a number of global private credit funds, is casting a spotlight on pockets of stress within the nation’s credit markets. ‎‎‎‎‎ Some holders of the 143 billion rupee ($1.7 billion) note issued last year by Goswami Infratech Pvt are planning to ask the company for sweeteners in exchange for potentially accepting a company proposal to delay a payment, people familiar with the matter said.
This is from a Bloomberg report last month. Junk bonds promise to pay more than regular bonds, but they’re junk because the companies that issue them might just go like “sorry no money for you this month” and you’d sort of have to be okay with it.
In this particular case, Goswami Infratech, an infrastructure company part of the Shapoorji Pallonji group, issued some high-yield bonds sometime mid-last year. It wanted to revise certain terms because it couldn’t make an expected payment. The bond yield was high! 18.75% pa! For context, fixed deposit rates are around 7–8% right now.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a large 150-year old conglomerate. Why are they borrowing money at a rate comparable to that offered by those shady Chinese loan apps? [1]

Debt to repay debt

A company that’s into constructing stuff needs money. That’s perfectly fine. It will borrow money, build a bridge or a building or whatever, collect tolls or sell flats, and slowly repay the money it borrowed with interest. There is a clear one-to-one relationship between the money that it borrowed and the asset that it built. In an ideal world, that is.
In the real world, our company may not be able to repay on time. Maybe the bridge was delayed because it didn’t get environmental clearances on time. Or maybe the flats didn’t sell for the expected prices. So the company has to refinance! Basically, it has to borrow more so that it can use that money to repay the earlier loan, and then repay the new loan instead.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate comprising many capital-intensive companies. At any given point, at least a few of them may need to refinance their existing debt. So instead of having your companies borrow relatively smaller amounts separately, why not just club them all together and borrow a large amount at once?
In June 2023, Goswami Infratech issued bonds worth a huge ₹14,300 crore ($1.7 billion), which were bought mostly by foreign investment firms. Here’s the bond offering document and here’s%20Signed_20230702132807.pdf) the debenture trustee deed. The company borrowed this money primarily to pay off a bunch of existing debts. Only about 2% of the ₹14,300 crore that it borrowed went to its own account, the rest went to make bond repayments for 7 other companies in the Shapoorji Pallonji group.
I think this makes the sweet 18.75% interest make more sense? If you’re borrowing to repay the debt of a whole family of companies, you better be prepared to give out a lot of interest.
https://preview.redd.it/yzbfelm5jb4d1.jpg?width=749&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eff26bf8f51a822e866d4146667c162268eb1a5c

Fire sale?

How is Goswami Infratech even going to repay these bonds? The junk bond money didn’t go into building an asset that it could monetise, it went into repaying past debt. But Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate and has existing assets! So it’s going to sell some off. The bond documents outline exactly what and when:
  1. Ports owned by SP Port Maintenance, Shapoorji Pallonji’s port owning company. By 31 December, 2023.
  2. Afcons Infrastructure, one of Shapoorji Pallonji’s construction companies. By 30 June, 2024. [2]
Goswami Infratech issued the junk bonds in July 2023. Shapoorji Pallonji had to sell off some ports within 6 months of the bond sale, and (part of) a large construction company in another 6 months. If it’s unable to stick to this timeline, Goswami Infratech has to pay an additional interest to the junk bond investors. (That’s exactly what happened with one of the ports—Shapoorji Pallonji took nearly 3 extra months to sell it off, and the investors are now owed an additional 2% interest for those extra months.)
One story of why Shapoorji Pallonji issued junk bonds is that its companies are in big debt and they needed urgent money to pay off that debt. Yes, sure, that’s true and also what they did with the money. But another story is that Shapoorji Pallonji issued those bonds to buy time for it to get the right price for its assets. Not too many eligible buyers in the market for a port, after all.

Get that money out

Typically, the way bonds work is that the issuer, the company that’s borrowing money, pays the investor a fixed coupon every 6 or 12 months. Goswami Infra’s junk bonds though are zero coupon bonds. They don’t pay this fixed interest amount. Instead they pay the full amount owed right at the end.
In theory there isn’t a problem with this. The issuing company likes it because it doesn’t have to scramble for cash every few months. The bond investor doesn’t mind it because she gets compound interest at maturity. With 18.75% interest, that’s a lot.
The problem, of course, is that these are junk bonds! The investor doesn’t want to wait 3 years [3] expecting to get her principal back with that lovely interest only to be hit in the face with the company’s insolvency papers instead.
There’s a sweet spot. Yes, you want the compound interest but you also want some regular payments to be assured that the money’s actually coming back. Some leeway to make those payments is fine, but not 3 years!
Here’s where we’re standing:
  1. Shapoorji Pallonji has to sell some assets within 6 and 12 months of the bonds being issued. It will get cash.
  2. But the junk bonds don’t pay out a coupon like regular bonds. Selling assets can take time and is unpredictable. Being unable to make a coupon payment is a credit default, and the company would rather not go there.
  3. The investors want that asset sale money before the bonds mature. But how?
All bond contracts have a certain safety net for investors. If the bond issuing company does anything “bad”, the investors can do an early redemption and ask for their money back with interest. All such bad things are obviously defined and it’s stuff like defaulting on interest payments, doing something illegal, not sharing its financials, etc.
The important thing here is that there is a legal way for a company’s bond investors to ask for their money back before the agreed term. Sure, such early redemption is meant as a safety net if the company does a bad thing. But I guess the bad thing is optional? Instead of the trigger being “company does bad thing”, the trigger could very well be the opposite—“company does good thing”.
That’s how the junk bond investors are getting their money before the bonds mature even though the bonds are zero coupon. They have early redemption clauses in the contract that when Shapoorji Pallonji sells off any of a bunch of its assets, it would have to give that money to the investors.
A snippet of the different ways the junk bond investors could get some of their money back before maturity.
The bond investors are using early redemption clauses to ensure some safety too. For instance, the payment that Goswami Infratech missed that I quoted at the beginning of this article—that was an early redemption triggered because Shapoorji Pallonji had been unable to refinance another debt in time. It didn’t have anything to do with asset sales or the junk bond money at all. All it meant was that if Shapoorji Pallonji was having trouble refinancing its debt, the risk for our bond investors goes up too and they’d like some money to reduce that risk. [4] For now, Goswami Infratech has negotiated an extension.
Honestly, I haven’t read a lot of junk bond contracts to know enough, but the early redemption route looks like a pretty smart way to get some money out. Of course, whether this smartness pays off or not would depend on how much money the investors end up making at the end of all this.
Footnotes
[1] Okay, Chinese loan apps actually did sometimes go much, much higher, sometimes even up to 200% (?!) interest, according to this article. But come on, 18.75% on bonds worth $1.7 billion is pretty crazy.
[2] Shapoorji Pallonji isn’t planning on selling Afcons entirely, it’s going to do a stake sale in an IPO.
[3] The bonds mature in April 2026.
[4] The debt I’m referring to here is that of Sterling Investment Corporation, another of Shapoorji Pallonji’s companies which seems to be dedicated to just raising debt. The deal the investors had here is that if Shapoorji Pallonji had been able to refinance this debt at the original interest rate by 26 May, that’s perfectly fine. But if it has to borrow at a higher interest, the junk bond investors would immediately get an early redemption of ₹1,400 crore + the interest rate of the junk bonds would be revised to match whatever the company was paying for Sterling’s refinancing.
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2024.06.03 10:28 tareekpetareek Shapoorji Pallonji's junk bonds have some creative payouts - a fun read about a slightly niche but interesting financial topic

Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/shapoorji-pallonji-junk-bonds (my newsletter Boring Money. If you like what you read, do visit the original link to subscribe and receive future posts directly in your inbox)

I was confused when I first read about junk bonds. They pay more than regular bonds? Then why are they junk? Well, here’s why:
India’s biggest ever high-yield rupee corporate bond, held by a number of global private credit funds, is casting a spotlight on pockets of stress within the nation’s credit markets. ‎‎‎‎‎ Some holders of the 143 billion rupee ($1.7 billion) note issued last year by Goswami Infratech Pvt are planning to ask the company for sweeteners in exchange for potentially accepting a company proposal to delay a payment, people familiar with the matter said.
This is from a Bloomberg report last month. Junk bonds promise to pay more than regular bonds, but they’re junk because the companies that issue them might just go like “sorry no money for you this month” and you’d sort of have to be okay with it.
In this particular case, Goswami Infratech, an infrastructure company part of the Shapoorji Pallonji group, issued some high-yield bonds sometime mid-last year. It wanted to revise certain terms because it couldn’t make an expected payment. The bond yield was high! 18.75% pa! For context, fixed deposit rates are around 7–8% right now.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a large 150-year old conglomerate. Why are they borrowing money at a rate comparable to that offered by those shady Chinese loan apps? [1]

Debt to repay debt

A company that’s into constructing stuff needs money. That’s perfectly fine. It will borrow money, build a bridge or a building or whatever, collect tolls or sell flats, and slowly repay the money it borrowed with interest. There is a clear one-to-one relationship between the money that it borrowed and the asset that it built. In an ideal world, that is.
In the real world, our company may not be able to repay on time. Maybe the bridge was delayed because it didn’t get environmental clearances on time. Or maybe the flats didn’t sell for the expected prices. So the company has to refinance! Basically, it has to borrow more so that it can use that money to repay the earlier loan, and then repay the new loan instead.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate comprising many capital-intensive companies. At any given point, at least a few of them may need to refinance their existing debt. So instead of having your companies borrow relatively smaller amounts separately, why not just club them all together and borrow a large amount at once?
In June 2023, Goswami Infratech issued bonds worth a huge ₹14,300 crore ($1.7 billion), which were bought mostly by foreign investment firms. Here’s the bond offering document and here’s%20Signed_20230702132807.pdf) the debenture trustee deed. The company borrowed this money primarily to pay off a bunch of existing debts. Only about 2% of the ₹14,300 crore that it borrowed went to its own account, the rest went to make bond repayments for 7 other companies in the Shapoorji Pallonji group.
I think this makes the sweet 18.75% interest make more sense? If you’re borrowing to repay the debt of a whole family of companies, you better be prepared to give out a lot of interest.
https://preview.redd.it/fsur6l5mhb4d1.jpg?width=749&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eeb149b3881c321609cc2276e47a88d30618cde7

Fire sale?

How is Goswami Infratech even going to repay these bonds? The junk bond money didn’t go into building an asset that it could monetise, it went into repaying past debt. But Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate and has existing assets! So it’s going to sell some off. The bond documents outline exactly what and when:
  1. Ports owned by SP Port Maintenance, Shapoorji Pallonji’s port owning company. By 31 December, 2023.
  2. Afcons Infrastructure, one of Shapoorji Pallonji’s construction companies. By 30 June, 2024. [2]
Goswami Infratech issued the junk bonds in July 2023. Shapoorji Pallonji had to sell off some ports within 6 months of the bond sale, and (part of) a large construction company in another 6 months. If it’s unable to stick to this timeline, Goswami Infratech has to pay an additional interest to the junk bond investors. (That’s exactly what happened with one of the ports—Shapoorji Pallonji took nearly 3 extra months to sell it off, and the investors are now owed an additional 2% interest for those extra months.)
One story of why Shapoorji Pallonji issued junk bonds is that its companies are in big debt and they needed urgent money to pay off that debt. Yes, sure, that’s true and also what they did with the money. But another story is that Shapoorji Pallonji issued those bonds to buy time for it to get the right price for its assets. Not too many eligible buyers in the market for a port, after all.

Get that money out

Typically, the way bonds work is that the issuer, the company that’s borrowing money, pays the investor a fixed coupon every 6 or 12 months. Goswami Infra’s junk bonds though are zero coupon bonds. They don’t pay this fixed interest amount. Instead they pay the full amount owed right at the end.
In theory there isn’t a problem with this. The issuing company likes it because it doesn’t have to scramble for cash every few months. The bond investor doesn’t mind it because she gets compound interest at maturity. With 18.75% interest, that’s a lot.
The problem, of course, is that these are junk bonds! The investor doesn’t want to wait 3 years [3] expecting to get her principal back with that lovely interest only to be hit in the face with the company’s insolvency papers instead.
There’s a sweet spot. Yes, you want the compound interest but you also want some regular payments to be assured that the money’s actually coming back. Some leeway to make those payments is fine, but not 3 years!
Here’s where we’re standing:
  1. Shapoorji Pallonji has to sell some assets within 6 and 12 months of the bonds being issued. It will get cash.
  2. But the junk bonds don’t pay out a coupon like regular bonds. Selling assets can take time and is unpredictable. Being unable to make a coupon payment is a credit default, and the company would rather not go there.
  3. The investors want that asset sale money before the bonds mature. But how?
All bond contracts have a certain safety net for investors. If the bond issuing company does anything “bad”, the investors can do an early redemption and ask for their money back with interest. All such bad things are obviously defined and it’s stuff like defaulting on interest payments, doing something illegal, not sharing its financials, etc.
The important thing here is that there is a legal way for a company’s bond investors to ask for their money back before the agreed term. Sure, such early redemption is meant as a safety net if the company does a bad thing. But I guess the bad thing is optional? Instead of the trigger being “company does bad thing”, the trigger could very well be the opposite—“company does good thing”.
That’s how the junk bond investors are getting their money before the bonds mature even though the bonds are zero coupon. They have early redemption clauses in the contract that when Shapoorji Pallonji sells off any of a bunch of its assets, it would have to give that money to the investors.
A snippet of the different ways the junk bond investors could get some of their money back before maturity.
The bond investors are using early redemption clauses to ensure some safety too. For instance, the payment that Goswami Infratech missed that I quoted at the beginning of this article—that was an early redemption triggered because Shapoorji Pallonji had been unable to refinance another debt in time. It didn’t have anything to do with asset sales or the junk bond money at all. All it meant was that if Shapoorji Pallonji was having trouble refinancing its debt, the risk for our bond investors goes up too and they’d like some money to reduce that risk. [4] For now, Goswami Infratech has negotiated an extension.
Honestly, I haven’t read a lot of junk bond contracts to know enough, but the early redemption route looks like a pretty smart way to get some money out. Of course, whether this smartness pays off or not would depend on how much money the investors end up making at the end of all this.
Footnotes
[1] Okay, Chinese loan apps actually did sometimes go much, much higher, sometimes even up to 200% (?!) interest, according to this article. But come on, 18.75% on bonds worth $1.7 billion is pretty crazy.
[2] Shapoorji Pallonji isn’t planning on selling Afcons entirely, it’s going to do a stake sale in an IPO.
[3] The bonds mature in April 2026.
[4] The debt I’m referring to here is that of Sterling Investment Corporation, another of Shapoorji Pallonji’s companies which seems to be dedicated to just raising debt. The deal the investors had here is that if Shapoorji Pallonji had been able to refinance this debt at the original interest rate by 26 May, that’s perfectly fine. But if it has to borrow at a higher interest, the junk bond investors would immediately get an early redemption of ₹1,400 crore + the interest rate of the junk bonds would be revised to match whatever the company was paying for Sterling’s refinancing.
Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/shapoorji-pallonji-junk-bonds
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2024.06.03 10:07 tareekpetareek Shapoorji Pallonji's junk bonds have some creative payouts - a fun read about a slightly niche but interesting financial topic

Shapoorji Pallonji's junk bonds have some creative payouts - a fun read about a slightly niche but interesting financial topic
Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/shapoorji-pallonji-junk-bonds (my newsletter Boring Money. If you like what you read, do visit the original link to subscribe and receive future posts directly in your inbox)

I was confused when I first read about junk bonds. They pay more than regular bonds? Then why are they junk? Well, here’s why:
India’s biggest ever high-yield rupee corporate bond, held by a number of global private credit funds, is casting a spotlight on pockets of stress within the nation’s credit markets. ‎‎‎‎‎ Some holders of the 143 billion rupee ($1.7 billion) note issued last year by Goswami Infratech Pvt are planning to ask the company for sweeteners in exchange for potentially accepting a company proposal to delay a payment, people familiar with the matter said.
This is from a Bloomberg report last month. Junk bonds promise to pay more than regular bonds, but they’re junk because the companies that issue them might just go like “sorry no money for you this month” and you’d sort of have to be okay with it.
In this particular case, Goswami Infratech, an infrastructure company part of the Shapoorji Pallonji group, issued some high-yield bonds sometime mid-last year. It wanted to revise certain terms because it couldn’t make an expected payment. The bond yield was high! 18.75% pa! For context, fixed deposit rates are around 7–8% right now.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a large 150-year old conglomerate. Why are they borrowing money at a rate comparable to that offered by those shady Chinese loan apps? [1]

Debt to repay debt

A company that’s into constructing stuff needs money. That’s perfectly fine. It will borrow money, build a bridge or a building or whatever, collect tolls or sell flats, and slowly repay the money it borrowed with interest. There is a clear one-to-one relationship between the money that it borrowed and the asset that it built. In an ideal world, that is.
In the real world, our company may not be able to repay on time. Maybe the bridge was delayed because it didn’t get environmental clearances on time. Or maybe the flats didn’t sell for the expected prices. So the company has to refinance! Basically, it has to borrow more so that it can use that money to repay the earlier loan, and then repay the new loan instead.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate comprising many capital-intensive companies. At any given point, at least a few of them may need to refinance their existing debt. So instead of having your companies borrow relatively smaller amounts separately, why not just club them all together and borrow a large amount at once?
In June 2023, Goswami Infratech issued bonds worth a huge ₹14,300 crore ($1.7 billion), which were bought mostly by foreign investment firms. Here’s the bond offering document and here’s%20Signed_20230702132807.pdf) the debenture trustee deed. The company borrowed this money primarily to pay off a bunch of existing debts. Only about 2% of the ₹14,300 crore that it borrowed went to its own account, the rest went to make bond repayments for 7 other companies in the Shapoorji Pallonji group.
I think this makes the sweet 18.75% interest make more sense? If you’re borrowing to repay the debt of a whole family of companies, you better be prepared to give out a lot of interest.
https://preview.redd.it/sm3qj4uwdb4d1.jpg?width=749&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fb98f48354eb3979dd815ae4ef5e7aa18ad1bde

Fire sale?

How is Goswami Infratech even going to repay these bonds? The junk bond money didn’t go into building an asset that it could monetise, it went into repaying past debt. But Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate and has existing assets! So it’s going to sell some off. The bond documents outline exactly what and when:
  1. Ports owned by SP Port Maintenance, Shapoorji Pallonji’s port owning company. By 31 December, 2023.
  2. Afcons Infrastructure, one of Shapoorji Pallonji’s construction companies. By 30 June, 2024. [2]
Goswami Infratech issued the junk bonds in July 2023. Shapoorji Pallonji had to sell off some ports within 6 months of the bond sale, and (part of) a large construction company in another 6 months. If it’s unable to stick to this timeline, Goswami Infratech has to pay an additional interest to the junk bond investors. (That’s exactly what happened with one of the ports—Shapoorji Pallonji took nearly 3 extra months to sell it off, and the investors are now owed an additional 2% interest for those extra months.)
One story of why Shapoorji Pallonji issued junk bonds is that its companies are in big debt and they needed urgent money to pay off that debt. Yes, sure, that’s true and also what they did with the money. But another story is that Shapoorji Pallonji issued those bonds to buy time for it to get the right price for its assets. Not too many eligible buyers in the market for a port, after all.

Get that money out

Typically, the way bonds work is that the issuer, the company that’s borrowing money, pays the investor a fixed coupon every 6 or 12 months. Goswami Infra’s junk bonds though are zero coupon bonds. They don’t pay this fixed interest amount. Instead they pay the full amount owed right at the end.
In theory there isn’t a problem with this. The issuing company likes it because it doesn’t have to scramble for cash every few months. The bond investor doesn’t mind it because she gets compound interest at maturity. With 18.75% interest, that’s a lot.
The problem, of course, is that these are junk bonds! The investor doesn’t want to wait 3 years [3] expecting to get her principal back with that lovely interest only to be hit in the face with the company’s insolvency papers instead.
There’s a sweet spot. Yes, you want the compound interest but you also want some regular payments to be assured that the money’s actually coming back. Some leeway to make those payments is fine, but not 3 years!
Here’s where we’re standing:
  1. Shapoorji Pallonji has to sell some assets within 6 and 12 months of the bonds being issued. It will get cash.
  2. But the junk bonds don’t pay out a coupon like regular bonds. Selling assets can take time and is unpredictable. Being unable to make a coupon payment is a credit default, and the company would rather not go there.
  3. The investors want that asset sale money before the bonds mature. But how?
All bond contracts have a certain safety net for investors. If the bond issuing company does anything “bad”, the investors can do an early redemption and ask for their money back with interest. All such bad things are obviously defined and it’s stuff like defaulting on interest payments, doing something illegal, not sharing its financials, etc.
The important thing here is that there is a legal way for a company’s bond investors to ask for their money back before the agreed term. Sure, such early redemption is meant as a safety net if the company does a bad thing. But I guess the bad thing is optional? Instead of the trigger being “company does bad thing”, the trigger could very well be the opposite—“company does good thing”.
That’s how the junk bond investors are getting their money before the bonds mature even though the bonds are zero coupon. They have early redemption clauses in the contract that when Shapoorji Pallonji sells off any of a bunch of its assets, it would have to give that money to the investors.
A snippet of the different ways the junk bond investors could get some of their money back before maturity.
The bond investors are using early redemption clauses to ensure some safety too. For instance, the payment that Goswami Infratech missed that I quoted at the beginning of this article—that was an early redemption triggered because Shapoorji Pallonji had been unable to refinance another debt in time. It didn’t have anything to do with asset sales or the junk bond money at all. All it meant was that if Shapoorji Pallonji was having trouble refinancing its debt, the risk for our bond investors goes up too and they’d like some money to reduce that risk. [4] For now, Goswami Infratech has negotiated an extension.
Honestly, I haven’t read a lot of junk bond contracts to know enough, but the early redemption route looks like a pretty smart way to get some money out. Of course, whether this smartness pays off or not would depend on how much money the investors end up making at the end of all this.
Footnotes
[1] Okay, Chinese loan apps actually did sometimes go much, much higher, sometimes even up to 200% (?!) interest, according to this article. But come on, 18.75% on bonds worth $1.7 billion is pretty crazy.
[2] Shapoorji Pallonji isn’t planning on selling Afcons entirely, it’s going to do a stake sale in an IPO.
[3] The bonds mature in April 2026.
[4] The debt I’m referring to here is that of Sterling Investment Corporation, another of Shapoorji Pallonji’s companies which seems to be dedicated to just raising debt. The deal the investors had here is that if Shapoorji Pallonji had been able to refinance this debt at the original interest rate by 26 May, that’s perfectly fine. But if it has to borrow at a higher interest, the junk bond investors would immediately get an early redemption of ₹1,400 crore + the interest rate of the junk bonds would be revised to match whatever the company was paying for Sterling’s refinancing.
Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/shapoorji-pallonji-junk-bonds
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2024.06.03 09:49 tareekpetareek Shapoorji Pallonji's junk bonds have some creative payouts - a fun read about a slightly niche but interesting financial topic

Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/shapoorji-pallonji-junk-bonds (my newsletter Boring Money. If you like what you read, do visit the original link to subscribe and receive future posts directly in your inbox)

I was confused when I first read about junk bonds. They pay more than regular bonds? Then why are they junk? Well, here’s why:
India’s biggest ever high-yield rupee corporate bond, held by a number of global private credit funds, is casting a spotlight on pockets of stress within the nation’s credit markets. ‎‎‎‎‎ Some holders of the 143 billion rupee ($1.7 billion) note issued last year by Goswami Infratech Pvt are planning to ask the company for sweeteners in exchange for potentially accepting a company proposal to delay a payment, people familiar with the matter said.
This is from a Bloomberg report last month. Junk bonds promise to pay more than regular bonds, but they’re junk because the companies that issue them might just go like “sorry no money for you this month” and you’d sort of have to be okay with it.
In this particular case, Goswami Infratech, an infrastructure company part of the Shapoorji Pallonji group, issued some high-yield bonds sometime mid-last year. It wanted to revise certain terms because it couldn’t make an expected payment. The bond yield was high! 18.75% pa! For context, fixed deposit rates are around 7–8% right now.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a large 150-year old conglomerate. Why are they borrowing money at a rate comparable to that offered by those shady Chinese loan apps? [1]

Debt to repay debt

A company that’s into constructing stuff needs money. That’s perfectly fine. It will borrow money, build a bridge or a building or whatever, collect tolls or sell flats, and slowly repay the money it borrowed with interest. There is a clear one-to-one relationship between the money that it borrowed and the asset that it built. In an ideal world, that is.
In the real world, our company may not be able to repay on time. Maybe the bridge was delayed because it didn’t get environmental clearances on time. Or maybe the flats didn’t sell for the expected prices. So the company has to refinance! Basically, it has to borrow more so that it can use that money to repay the earlier loan, and then repay the new loan instead.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate comprising many capital-intensive companies. At any given point, at least a few of them may need to refinance their existing debt. So instead of having your companies borrow relatively smaller amounts separately, why not just club them all together and borrow a large amount at once?
In June 2023, Goswami Infratech issued bonds worth a huge ₹14,300 crore ($1.7 billion), which were bought mostly by foreign investment firms. Here’s the bond offering document and here’s%20Signed_20230702132807.pdf) the debenture trustee deed. The company borrowed this money primarily to pay off a bunch of existing debts. Only about 2% of the ₹14,300 crore that it borrowed went to its own account, the rest went to make bond repayments for 7 other companies in the Shapoorji Pallonji group.
I think this makes the sweet 18.75% interest make more sense? If you’re borrowing to repay the debt of a whole family of companies, you better be prepared to give out a lot of interest.

Fire sale?

How is Goswami Infratech even going to repay these bonds? The junk bond money didn’t go into building an asset that it could monetise, it went into repaying past debt. But Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate and has existing assets! So it’s going to sell some off. The bond documents outline exactly what and when:
  1. Ports owned by SP Port Maintenance, Shapoorji Pallonji’s port owning company. By 31 December, 2023.
  2. Afcons Infrastructure, one of Shapoorji Pallonji’s construction companies. By 30 June, 2024. [2]
Goswami Infratech issued the junk bonds in July 2023. Shapoorji Pallonji had to sell off some ports within 6 months of the bond sale, and (part of) a large construction company in another 6 months. If it’s unable to stick to this timeline, Goswami Infratech has to pay an additional interest to the junk bond investors. (That’s exactly what happened with one of the ports—Shapoorji Pallonji took nearly 3 extra months to sell it off, and the investors are now owed an additional 2% interest for those extra months.)
One story of why Shapoorji Pallonji issued junk bonds is that its companies are in big debt and they needed urgent money to pay off that debt. Yes, sure, that’s true and also what they did with the money. But another story is that Shapoorji Pallonji issued those bonds to buy time for it to get the right price for its assets. Not too many eligible buyers in the market for a port, after all.

Get that money out

Typically, the way bonds work is that the issuer, the company that’s borrowing money, pays the investor a fixed coupon every 6 or 12 months. Goswami Infra’s junk bonds though are zero coupon bonds. They don’t pay this fixed interest amount. Instead they pay the full amount owed right at the end.
In theory there isn’t a problem with this. The issuing company likes it because it doesn’t have to scramble for cash every few months. The bond investor doesn’t mind it because she gets compound interest at maturity. With 18.75% interest, that’s a lot.
The problem, of course, is that these are junk bonds! The investor doesn’t want to wait 3 years [3] expecting to get her principal back with that lovely interest only to be hit in the face with the company’s insolvency papers instead.
There’s a sweet spot. Yes, you want the compound interest but you also want some regular payments to be assured that the money’s actually coming back. Some leeway to make those payments is fine, but not 3 years!
Here’s where we’re standing:
  1. Shapoorji Pallonji has to sell some assets within 6 and 12 months of the bonds being issued. It will get cash.
  2. But the junk bonds don’t pay out a coupon like regular bonds. Selling assets can take time and is unpredictable. Being unable to make a coupon payment is a credit default, and the company would rather not go there.
  3. The investors want that asset sale money before the bonds mature. But how?
All bond contracts have a certain safety net for investors. If the bond issuing company does anything “bad”, the investors can do an early redemption and ask for their money back with interest. All such bad things are obviously defined and it’s stuff like defaulting on interest payments, doing something illegal, not sharing its financials, etc.
The important thing here is that there is a legal way for a company’s bond investors to ask for their money back before the agreed term. Sure, such early redemption is meant as a safety net if the company does a bad thing. But I guess the bad thing is optional? Instead of the trigger being “company does bad thing”, the trigger could very well be the opposite—“company does good thing”.
That’s how the junk bond investors are getting their money before the bonds mature even though the bonds are zero coupon. They have early redemption clauses in the contract that when Shapoorji Pallonji sells off any of a bunch of its assets, it would have to give that money to the investors.
The bond investors are using early redemption clauses to ensure some safety too. For instance, the payment that Goswami Infratech missed that I quoted at the beginning of this article—that was an early redemption triggered because Shapoorji Pallonji had been unable to refinance another debt in time. It didn’t have anything to do with asset sales or the junk bond money at all. All it meant was that if Shapoorji Pallonji was having trouble refinancing its debt, the risk for our bond investors goes up too and they’d like some money to reduce that risk. [4] For now, Goswami Infratech has negotiated an extension.
Honestly, I haven’t read a lot of junk bond contracts to know enough, but the early redemption route looks like a pretty smart way to get some money out. Of course, whether this smartness pays off or not would depend on how much money the investors end up making at the end of all this.
Footnotes
[1] Okay, Chinese loan apps actually did sometimes go much, much higher, sometimes even up to 200% (?!) interest, according to this article. But come on, 18.75% on bonds worth $1.7 billion is pretty crazy.
[2] Shapoorji Pallonji isn’t planning on selling Afcons entirely, it’s going to do a stake sale in an IPO.
[3] The bonds mature in April 2026.
[4] The debt I’m referring to here is that of Sterling Investment Corporation, another of Shapoorji Pallonji’s companies which seems to be dedicated to just raising debt. The deal the investors had here is that if Shapoorji Pallonji had been able to refinance this debt at the original interest rate by 26 May, that’s perfectly fine. But if it has to borrow at a higher interest, the junk bond investors would immediately get an early redemption of ₹1,400 crore + the interest rate of the junk bonds would be revised to match whatever the company was paying for Sterling’s refinancing.
Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/shapoorji-pallonji-junk-bonds
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2024.06.03 09:44 tareekpetareek Shapoorji Pallonji's junk bonds have some creative payouts -- a fun read about a slightly niche but interesting financial topic

Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/shapoorji-pallonji-junk-bonds (my newsletter Boring Money. If you like what you read, do visit the original link to subscribe and receive future posts directly in your inbox)

I was confused when I first read about junk bonds. They pay more than regular bonds? Then why are they junk? Well, here’s why:
India’s biggest ever high-yield rupee corporate bond, held by a number of global private credit funds, is casting a spotlight on pockets of stress within the nation’s credit markets. ‎‎‎‎‎ Some holders of the 143 billion rupee ($1.7 billion) note issued last year by Goswami Infratech Pvt are planning to ask the company for sweeteners in exchange for potentially accepting a company proposal to delay a payment, people familiar with the matter said.
This is from a Bloomberg report last month. Junk bonds promise to pay more than regular bonds, but they’re junk because the companies that issue them might just go like “sorry no money for you this month” and you’d sort of have to be okay with it.
In this particular case, Goswami Infratech, an infrastructure company part of the Shapoorji Pallonji group, issued some high-yield bonds sometime mid-last year. It wanted to revise certain terms because it couldn’t make an expected payment. The bond yield was high! 18.75% pa! For context, fixed deposit rates are around 7–8% right now.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a large 150-year old conglomerate. Why are they borrowing money at a rate comparable to that offered by those shady Chinese loan apps? [1]

Debt to repay debt

A company that’s into constructing stuff needs money. That’s perfectly fine. It will borrow money, build a bridge or a building or whatever, collect tolls or sell flats, and slowly repay the money it borrowed with interest. There is a clear one-to-one relationship between the money that it borrowed and the asset that it built. In an ideal world, that is.
In the real world, our company may not be able to repay on time. Maybe the bridge was delayed because it didn’t get environmental clearances on time. Or maybe the flats didn’t sell for the expected prices. So the company has to refinance! Basically, it has to borrow more so that it can use that money to repay the earlier loan, and then repay the new loan instead.
Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate comprising many capital-intensive companies. At any given point, at least a few of them may need to refinance their existing debt. So instead of having your companies borrow relatively smaller amounts separately, why not just club them all together and borrow a large amount at once?
In June 2023, Goswami Infratech issued bonds worth a huge ₹14,300 crore ($1.7 billion), which were bought mostly by foreign investment firms. Here’s the bond offering document and here’s%20Signed_20230702132807.pdf) the debenture trustee deed. The company borrowed this money primarily to pay off a bunch of existing debts. Only about 2% of the ₹14,300 crore that it borrowed went to its own account, the rest went to make bond repayments for 7 other companies in the Shapoorji Pallonji group.
I think this makes the sweet 18.75% interest make more sense? If you’re borrowing to repay the debt of a whole family of companies, you better be prepared to give out a lot of interest.
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Fire sale?

How is Goswami Infratech even going to repay these bonds? The junk bond money didn’t go into building an asset that it could monetise, it went into repaying past debt. But Shapoorji Pallonji is a conglomerate and has existing assets! So it’s going to sell some off. The bond documents outline exactly what and when:
  1. Ports owned by SP Port Maintenance, Shapoorji Pallonji’s port owning company. By 31 December, 2023.
  2. Afcons Infrastructure, one of Shapoorji Pallonji’s construction companies. By 30 June, 2024. [2]
Goswami Infratech issued the junk bonds in July 2023. Shapoorji Pallonji had to sell off some ports within 6 months of the bond sale, and (part of) a large construction company in another 6 months. If it’s unable to stick to this timeline, Goswami Infratech has to pay an additional interest to the junk bond investors. (That’s exactly what happened with one of the ports—Shapoorji Pallonji took nearly 3 extra months to sell it off, and the investors are now owed an additional 2% interest for those extra months.)
One story of why Shapoorji Pallonji issued junk bonds is that its companies are in big debt and they needed urgent money to pay off that debt. Yes, sure, that’s true and also what they did with the money. But another story is that Shapoorji Pallonji issued those bonds to buy time for it to get the right price for its assets. Not too many eligible buyers in the market for a port, after all.

Get that money out

Typically, the way bonds work is that the issuer, the company that’s borrowing money, pays the investor a fixed coupon every 6 or 12 months. Goswami Infra’s junk bonds though are zero coupon bonds. They don’t pay this fixed interest amount. Instead they pay the full amount owed right at the end.
In theory there isn’t a problem with this. The issuing company likes it because it doesn’t have to scramble for cash every few months. The bond investor doesn’t mind it because she gets compound interest at maturity. With 18.75% interest, that’s a lot.
The problem, of course, is that these are junk bonds! The investor doesn’t want to wait 3 years [3] expecting to get her principal back with that lovely interest only to be hit in the face with the company’s insolvency papers instead.
There’s a sweet spot. Yes, you want the compound interest but you also want some regular payments to be assured that the money’s actually coming back. Some leeway to make those payments is fine, but not 3 years!
Here’s where we’re standing:
  1. Shapoorji Pallonji has to sell some assets within 6 and 12 months of the bonds being issued. It will get cash.
  2. But the junk bonds don’t pay out a coupon like regular bonds. Selling assets can take time and is unpredictable. Being unable to make a coupon payment is a credit default, and the company would rather not go there.
  3. The investors want that asset sale money before the bonds mature. But how?
All bond contracts have a certain safety net for investors. If the bond issuing company does anything “bad”, the investors can do an early redemption and ask for their money back with interest. All such bad things are obviously defined and it’s stuff like defaulting on interest payments, doing something illegal, not sharing its financials, etc.
The important thing here is that there is a legal way for a company’s bond investors to ask for their money back before the agreed term. Sure, such early redemption is meant as a safety net if the company does a bad thing. But I guess the bad thing is optional? Instead of the trigger being “company does bad thing”, the trigger could very well be the opposite—“company does good thing”.
That’s how the junk bond investors are getting their money before the bonds mature even though the bonds are zero coupon. They have early redemption clauses in the contract that when Shapoorji Pallonji sells off any of a bunch of its assets, it would have to give that money to the investors.
A snippet of the different ways the junk bond investors could get some of their money back before maturity.
The bond investors are using early redemption clauses to ensure some safety too. For instance, the payment that Goswami Infratech missed that I quoted at the beginning of this article—that was an early redemption triggered because Shapoorji Pallonji had been unable to refinance another debt in time. It didn’t have anything to do with asset sales or the junk bond money at all. All it meant was that if Shapoorji Pallonji was having trouble refinancing its debt, the risk for our bond investors goes up too and they’d like some money to reduce that risk. [4] For now, Goswami Infratech has negotiated an extension.
Honestly, I haven’t read a lot of junk bond contracts to know enough, but the early redemption route looks like a pretty smart way to get some money out. Of course, whether this smartness pays off or not would depend on how much money the investors end up making at the end of all this.
Footnotes
[1] Okay, Chinese loan apps actually did sometimes go much, much higher, sometimes even up to 200% (?!) interest, according to this article. But come on, 18.75% on bonds worth $1.7 billion is pretty crazy.
[2] Shapoorji Pallonji isn’t planning on selling Afcons entirely, it’s going to do a stake sale in an IPO.
[3] The bonds mature in April 2026.
[4] The debt I’m referring to here is that of Sterling Investment Corporation, another of Shapoorji Pallonji’s companies which seems to be dedicated to just raising debt. The deal the investors had here is that if Shapoorji Pallonji had been able to refinance this debt at the original interest rate by 26 May, that’s perfectly fine. But if it has to borrow at a higher interest, the junk bond investors would immediately get an early redemption of ₹1,400 crore + the interest rate of the junk bonds would be revised to match whatever the company was paying for Sterling’s refinancing.

Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/shapoorji-pallonji-junk-bonds
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2024.06.03 08:53 Potential_Bus3376 Phone contract after ugly separation

Friend of mine has separated from his horrible, toxic ex. They have a kid together but were never married. She currently has a phone contract that’s in his name and he pays for, but she is not repaying him and ignoring requests.
What options does he have to end the contract? They do not speak directly (there’s a huge backstory to it which I’ll not go into) and she has the physical phone so my worry is he’s not got much of a chance of doing anything other than paying for the phone until the contract is up, as there’s zero chance of him getting the phone off her. Based in Scotland.
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2024.06.03 04:06 evanhmn Prior Employer Overpaid Me

My prior employer laid off numerous workers about 2 months ago, myself included, and sent out severance packages along with those layoffs. Ofcourse those layoffs came with the typical contracts and signatures from HR. Fast forward to today and I received a call from them telling me I need to repay them back over $2000 that they overpaid me. To put it in a better perspective, what occurred was when they paid me my severance they did not account for taxes, so my final check was given to me without taxes taken out from it. Do I have to repay this money? What happens if I do not pay them back? While it might not matter, this company is large and revenues over 600 million per year, hence why I’m a bit upset about picking up the phone 2 months after they fired me to tell me they want money :D
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2024.06.03 03:23 indiefatiguable Blurb Feedback

I recently saw a piece of advice in the comment section over on PubTips in which someone said they don't start a new project until they've received enthusiastic "I'd read that!" feedback on their blurb. That way they know they're working on something that someone will actually want to read.
Of course, we should write for ourselves first and foremost, but those of us pursuing traditional publishing understand the importance of playing to market. So I figured I'd take a page from that other writer's playbook and get some feedback on the blurb for a new project to get an idea of how it might be received. And if anyone knows of good comps, please share the title!
Thanks in advance!
Title: Land Among the Stars
Genre: Cozy Fantasy Romance
Blurb:
Middle child Marika “Rikki” Bergdahl accepted early on that she would never be special. Her eldest sister, Edda, is set to inherit their family’s world-renowned broomsmithing business. Her younger sister, Lillemor, is carving out a promising career in broom racing. And the baby of the family, Tova, is already making waves in the custom broomsmithing community with her artistic flair. Rikki, meanwhile, cheers her sisters on from the sidelines, her own life stagnating after two back-to-back failed relationships.
Desperate for a fresh start, Rikki opens Chaos City’s first broom shop. With the legendary Bergdahl name behind her, business booms in no time. When Chaos City is chosen to host the year’s premier broom racing event, the Sky Rider’s Cup, Rikki sees an opportunity to further grow her business by sponsoring Lillemor—only to discover Lillemor has signed an exclusive contract with a new corporate sponsor.
Feeling betrayed and eager to prove her worth, Rikki searches for another promising racer and finds Kazuhiro “Hiro” Sorakiri. A hotshot rookie who recently rocketed onto the racing scene, Hiro’s sponsors dropped him like a cursed amulet after his volatile father and manager was caught harassing a female employee on video. Aligning with a women-owned company like Bergdahl Bespoke Brooms could help salvage Hiro’s reputation—and it’s the only way to get a coveted Bergdahl broom without years on the waitlist.
Hiro is as dedicated to his training regimen as Rikki is to crafting a race-winning broom, and their shared ambition ignites into attraction. By race day, they’re regularly relieving stress with passionate trysts, and Hiro hopes winning the Sky Rider’s Cup will impress business-focused Rikki enough to make their relationship official. But on the eve of the race, Hiro’s father demands he take a dive to repay debts to dangerous people. Caught between ambition and loyalty, love and family, Hiro must choose to fly with or against the wind.
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2024.06.02 17:51 Constant-Jello-3150 IRR/Reserve Question

I’m non-ob in a reserve unit, i want to lat-move in my contract. (not taking a bonus). the schoolhouse is a month long.
Would i still have that non-obligation option after the schoolhouse and after i “repay the unit” for their time and money
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2024.06.02 16:45 J0n35ystores My new life change in Australia

I’ve never stopped working all my life 17-41 (1999-2024) but early on in 2005 I got put on a DSP pension (pre 2008; same power as ndis) Most recently I’ve been diagnosed with onset copd a lung disease that attacks my immune system. I’ve decided to medically retire and live off $1300 a fortnight; reason being I’m constantly out of breath in tiny everyday tasks. Being on the DSP pension has its advances such as I have no need for super, insurance, free drs and referral to free specialists. Cheap public transport discounts on rego and most recently been approved for a govt commission unit. Now to the point thanks for reading the context of my situation. I must live a very simple frugal and minimalism life which will be fun and is going to be extremely challenging. A few things firstly drain my super and shut it down. With this super buy a prepaid bare funeral with service $2500 to cut out funeral insurance, and pay out all device repayments to just be left with contract plans post paid using my large data phone plans for wifi and essentially own all my modern devices. My budget for food is $90 a fortnight loose veggies and meat to make from scratch slow cook meals. Lucky my nan and first ex wife were chefs and with my heavy machinery trade and cabinet making trade I’m an excellent knife handler in the kitchen. I’ve given up owning a car using trains, buses and a really nice electric scooter for transport. Which costs $20 a month on a green qld go card. I travel everywhere visiting my friends all over Queensland. So this my new frugal and minimalist lifestyle I would really appreciate any tips or hints to help me on my new adventure
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2024.06.02 01:53 Something_random2001 Need advice from Portugal

Hi it's my first post on reddit and English isn't my first language so sorry for anything wrong or weird. I'm a 23yo from Portugal. So to summ it up i lended money to a "friend" that promised to give it back on March and it's now June and I have no money. A little background, on summer 2023 my aunt sold my late grandpas "summer house" and since my dad was dead and divided 50% my aunt and 50 between me, my older brother and older sister. I'm a college dropout looking for a job with no income but this money didn't really put pressure in finding a job. This so called "friend" is actually a friend of my sister and just an acquaintance to me, that asked for money because "it was all she needed to put her life together". Now I knew from my sister that she was moving houses and she has a 13yo daughter and a 1yo son so I didn't ask (mistake no 1) and assumed something was wrong with the house or with the kids and gave her 12.000€, basically half of what I still had from the sold summer house, and she said she would repay everything + interest by may 3rd. She asked if I wanted to make a contract to make sure she pays but I said no (mistake no 2) bc I thought why waste money on that if she's my sister's friend and coworker and we know where she lives blabla. 2 weeks later she asks me for another 6.000€ and that was when I was starting to get nervous bc if I did that I would only have 4.000 but both she and my sister were practically begging so I reluctantly gave it to her, this was in January and these 6.000 she said she would pay back in February. So time passed no worries I still had money but February came and she didn't have the money, a little back and forth she said she needed more time and by March she would give it back. She was sending long texts about she's sorry, she would never betray us, she will definitely give it make and things like that. So February passed it was march and nothing again but I didn't start the conversation to see when or what she would say, nothing. I asked my sister to talk to her and she did, the friend said she's working on it and will definitely give it back. In April I found out through my sister that besides the work they have together, the friend and someone else have a cleaning company and that's what the money was for, what's worse the company wasn't doing very well that's why she hasn't paid us yet. Now in the middle of May I'm talking with my sister and the topic of the friend comes up, I want my money back but my sister gets a little annoyed bc I stopped talking to the friend by phone and ask her to do it face to face but it's always the same thing, well the topic of the friend was when they last talked she made the excuse that she isn't the one that deals with that company's money, it's the other person that me and my don't know. I'm really pissed that I'm going in circles with her, I just want my money back bc now I'm depending on my sister for money (we live together) we said it doesn't have to be all at one but she still hasn't given 1 cent back. My sister said that nothing legal can be done about it and I don't have the money for a lawyer so I'm asking here. Is this situation just a "sucks to be you" or can I do something? I have the text conversations and the the money was transfered so I have a receipt of when and how much was given. If some people ask why the friend asked me and not my sister if we both had the sold house money, my sister had a little debt that was paid with most of it the rest was spent because leaving is really expensive nowadays.
Again sorry for any writing mistake and the long post, it was my first time talking about this with someone besides my sister so I vented a little. I'm so angry I want to cry from feeling so helpless. Please help, any advice is welcome.
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2024.06.01 21:50 TaintedPills Not Worth The Price

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